April Progress Update

[DJQuad]

Design by committee is never a good idea. You'll have to trust our judgement and best will for our fans

Wasn't something mentioned at PDXCon I believe that there would be some sort of upvote/downvote system for new features?

 

[Potoroo]

Tough, deal with it. We get a lot more community interaction than say, Call Of Duty fans for example. Please stop being so rude.

WTF does "community interaction" on another forum for another game have to do with our need for developer feedback on this forum? Not a damn thing, that's what. How much DEVELOPER interaction do we get here anyway? Stuff all, that's how much, and pointing that fact our is not rude.

 

[BadPeanut]

WTF does "community interaction" on another forum for another game have to do with our need for developer feedback on this forum? Not a damn thing, that's what. How much DEVELOPER interaction do we get here anyway? Stuff all, that's how much, and pointing that fact our is not rude.

now you are being rude. could you please stop. I think you can still say we get a lot of developer interaction, even if it is indirectly through totalymoo. sometimes the devs are on here (and we're told they do keep an eye out on the forums they just can't answer every post) but you have to think, wouldn't you rather have a dev spend their time on upcoming updates? As far as community interaction goes, everyone on here does a good job at generally being here for everyone else for support, questions and bouncing ideas around, so i would agree we have a high quality community interaction.
saying something isn't good enough is hardly going to bring any good is it? all it does is make the devs feel bad if they see it, especially when we know how hard they work to bring us outstanding gameplay. and the fact of the matter is we have ALL had an answer from the devs about what they are working on, and that is they are working on making the game better, and that they will be releasing information about that as soon as they know they can deliver it.

 

[Potoroo]

I am not being rude. This is this 21st century, in case you hadn't noticed. We get stuff all developer interaction in here, the official Paradox forum for Skylines. Saying that something about a game we have paid hard currency for "isn't good enough" isn't rude, that's how we let the devs know how we feel about whatever aspect of the game is inadequate. We know they're working on tunnels, European style wall-to-wall buildings and a bunch of vague, unspecified other stuff That's it. We get nothing from them about what their priorities are. We get nothing from them about where they see this game going. They make a point of avoiding us so when 'Moo or anyone else runs the trust us" line I say no. I don't.

 

[AshleyTayles]

I am not being rude. This is this 21st century, in case you hadn't noticed. We get stuff all developer interaction in here, the official Paradox forum for Skylines. We get nearly no feedback from the developers and that is not acceptable. Saying that something about a game we have paid hard currency for "isn't good enough" isn't rude, that's how we let the devs know how we feel about whatever aspect of the game is inadequate. We know they're working on tunnels, European style wall-to-wall buildings and a bunch of vague, unspecified other stuff That's it. We get nothing from them about what their priorities are. We get nothing from them about where they see this game going. They make a point of avoiding us so when 'Moo or anyone else runs trust us" line I say no. I don't.

Just because it's the 21st century and you paid money for it doesn't entitle you to know what the developers are doing at any one minute.

Community interaction is not a feature of the game, nor is it in the terms of agreement you accepted when purchasing the game. You are entitled to raise a support case to get an issue fixed, and as said multiple times, they attempt to read everything posted in the support forum so if it's a big enough issue it'll be fixed.

Working in IT I get this all the time, coming into our office yelling that something is not working and being rude about it will just make the support staff annoyed and less likely to take your issue seriously. When people come see me asking kindly for help, 9/10 that's when I'll drop what I'm doing to come help you.

 

[Potoroo]

Just because it's the 21st century and you paid money for it doesn't entitle you to know what the developers are doing at any one minute.

Community interaction is not a feature of the game, nor is it in the terms of agreement you accepted when purchasing the game. You are entitled to raise a support case to get an issue fixed, and as said multiple times, they attempt to read everything posted in the support forum so if it's a big enough issue it'll be fixed.

Working in IT I get this all the time, coming into our office yelling that something is not working and being rude about it will just make the support staff annoyed and less likely to take your issue seriously. When people come see me asking kindly for help, 9/10 that's when I'll drop what I'm doing to come help you.

I didn't say "Just because it's the 21st century and you paid money for it doesn't entitle you to know what the developers are doing at any one minute." so stop making stuff up. I did not say that.

I said that "trust us" is not good enough in the 21st century. Because it isn't. How many times have game companies treated us like crap?

And please don't give me the "I work in IT" line because I have probably worked in IT since before you were born and you know what? It's got nothing to do with the rights or wrongs of how game companies treat their paying customers.

 

[ma2412]

Maybe you are knowing more the we...
i can only say for myself what features or bugs squashed i want - but surely thats not the same the whole community wants.

So i think no one could really say what the "hitlist" of feature request or bugs is looking - but devs do have a list of all requests and inputs (from this forum, other forums, email, facebook etc.).

I trust the devs, when they say, that they have a "ranking" in their todo.
They have done a good game so i trust them to handle the bugs and feature request well.

if you cannot play the game with bug X then you will have to wait a while until it is fixed. thats not good, but thats life. spend some time in RL until it is fixed

so please be patient...

 

[AshleyTayles]

I didn't say "Just because it's the 21st century and you paid money for it doesn't entitle you to know what the developers are doing at any one minute." so stop making shit up. I did not say that.

I said that "trust us" is not good enough in the 21st century. Because it isn't. How many times have game companies treated us like shit?

And please don't give me the "I work in IT" line because I have probably worked in IT since before you were born and you know what? It's got nothing to do with the rights or wrongs of how game companies treat their paying customers.

They aren't treating you bad at all. As you said they've told us that they're working on tunnels, etc, we can't expect them to tell us the contents of their bug tracker, its not realistic. If they say they are working on X Y Z and Y proves too difficult to implement or fully fix then people will accuse them of making promises they can't keep.

There are plenty of things I would like them to work on too, the game is not perfect, but they are a small team and I am trying to understand their situation, something you are not attempting and are just being rude as that will clearly get you what you want.

Why isn't "trust us" good enough? Leave the game developing to the game developers and enjoy the suspense/hype/hysteria.

Oh, and you can't give me the "don't give me that line" line and follow it up with the ol' "I'm probably older than you" line lol. Yes, I work in IT, but my point was still valid when I worked customer services for a supermarket.

 

[cRAGGLE]

Playing Vanilla is a good way to learn how the game hangs together without Mods messing things up balance wise.

Also I'm working on the last achievement and I want to get it playing just Vanilla Skylines like I did the others.

After that of course there are some Mods I'd like to try out, mainly ones that aid the game rather than modify the game play, like. the Road Protractor which looks really useful.

I played vanilla for a while.. until the seagulls, chirper and the sirens combined gave me brain aids and I had to seek out a cure. From there I've been modding it up ever since and it's great. One mod which upscales the resolution even made me go out and upgrade to a gtx970 and by god it looks amazing with the assets.

I like your style of playing vanilla and I did it myself for a while to ease in. Plus I feel that I'm "cheating" if I use mods etc. in games.. but not anymore

When this next update comes out I'll be disabling them all though and gradually re-adding them just in case.

Here's a screen shot using some of my favorite mods (sun shafts, first person, saphire UI among others).. this was taken before the graphics card upgrade and it still looks good (fps not so good haha)

 

[Greygor69]

I played vanilla for a while.. until the seagulls, chirper and the sirens combined gave me brain aids and I had to seek out a cure. From there I've been modding it up ever since and it's great. One mod which upscales the resolution even made me go out and upgrade to a gtx970 and by god it looks amazing with the assets.

I like your style of playing vanilla and I did it myself for a while to ease in. Plus I feel that I'm "cheating" if I use mods etc. in games.. but not anymore

When this next update comes out I'll be disabling them all though and gradually re-adding them just in case.

Here's a screen shot using some of my favorite mods (sun shafts, first person, saphire UI among others).. this was taken before the graphics card upgrade and it still looks good (fps not so good haha)

Yeah, that's the card I got, I got a brand new machine because CSL was being released

Once I unlock the Eiffel Tower and get the last achievement and the next patch is released I will throw myself into what's on the workshop, if nothing else I want to take advantage of that Road Protractor for my layouts

 

[TotalyMoo]

Okay, time out or we'll have to start handing out warnings. This is not a forum for fighting.

You're free to have which-ever values and expectations you wish on interaction from developers or publishers. Feedback is also, of course, not something we will regulate - so go ahead and share.

We're satisfied with the amount of communication and available information from our end.

My personal opinion can be found below.

 

[Sotrax]

Well, any updates? Since we are in the first third of May, I am very curious.

 

[Potoroo]

Okay, time out or we'll have to start handing out warnings. This is not a forum for fighting.

You're free to have which-ever values and expectations you wish on interaction from developers or publishers. Feedback is also, of course, not something we will regulate - so go ahead and share.

We're satisfied with the amount of communication and available information from our end.

My personal opinion can be found below.

How can you be satisfied with the amount of communication when people like myself keep telling you it is inadequate? At what point do you stop and start taking us seriously?

 

[Vimes]

^^^^ You make some good points imo Potoroo it's just that some could feel that you express yourself a little too abrasively.

I remember following some aspects of this games development, on and off, and there were frequent and regular updates and communications etc by certain devs. Post 1.07c release and it seems to have gone comparatively quiet. For some who have have faith and confidence in the people working on the games development and bug fixes they may well be content with the feedback and communications as it is. For others, myself included, who might well have equal amounts of faith and confidence they would just like some status updates on the up and coming patch and any other news which could be shared.

However noting the first post which states that it will be at least a month (post made April 17th) before the patch could be released we are still within that time frame, then again noting that it would be at least a month does give some wriggle room on the date of release.

 

[co_martsu]

We at Colossal have had to prioritize our efforts to working on the patch, which will include tunnels, European buildings and various fixes that will be specified in the patch notes. It doesn't make sense to us to start listing the issues here beforehand as they haven't even been fully tested yet. I hope you can understand that.

We are still reading the forum actively and now that I am looking to hire more people to join the team we hopefully can again allocate more time to actually answering the posts. But please remember that I will always rather have the team actually working on the game and recently we have been very busy to bringing you guys the next patch as soon as possible. I can reveal that the tunnels are starting to shape up, but we are still working on the European assets. I think it's looking very nice already, but I'm a sucker for those old styled buildings anyway

 

[Greygor69]

We at Colossal have had to prioritize our efforts to working on the patch, which will include tunnels, European buildings and various fixes that will be specified in the patch notes. It doesn't make sense to us to start listing the issues here beforehand as they haven't even been fully tested yet. I hope you can understand that.

We are still reading the forum actively and now that I am looking to hire more people to join the team we hopefully can again allocate more time to actually answering the posts. But please remember that I will always rather have the team actually working on the game and recently we have been very busy to bringing you guys the next patch as soon as possible. I can reveal that the tunnels are starting to shape up, but we are still working on the European assets. I think it's looking very nice already, but I'm a sucker for those old styled buildings anyway

Don't worry too much, it's a vocal minority who are impatient for news

In the meantime I need to go back and get those 30,000 Industry squares, I need to unlock that Eiffel Tower I'll never use

 

[co_martsu]

Don't worry too much, it's a vocal minority who are impatient for news

In the meantime I need to go back and get those 30,000 Industry squares, I need to unlock that Eiffel Tower I'll never use

I think your Eiffel Tower will look pretty fab in the European theme, so you should definitely get it

 

[Vampiro_nl]

I think your Eiffel Tower will look pretty fab in the European theme, so you should definitely get it

I know you can't reveal to much and we just have to wait patiently...
But yet i can't help but to ask about the "theming" ...

I think most people agree with me that it would look weird if the european style building just pop up at random. So can you (or any other dev.) tell us something about how this will work? Will it be something similar to the regions? So you can set regions where a certain building style is allowed? (Which would be awesome for custom sets as well!!)

Anyway, i understand you can't reveal too much as it's still in progress, but can you tell a littlebit about how we can use the "european theme" ?

Thanks!

 

[Potoroo]

We at Colossal have had to prioritize our efforts to working on the patch, which will include tunnels, European buildings and various fixes that will be specified in the patch notes. It doesn't make sense to us to start listing the issues here beforehand as they haven't even been fully tested yet. I hope you can understand that.

We are still reading the forum actively and now that I am looking to hire more people to join the team we hopefully can again allocate more time to actually answering the posts. But please remember that I will always rather have the team actually working on the game and recently we have been very busy to bringing you guys the next patch as soon as possible. I can reveal that the tunnels are starting to shape up, but we are still working on the European assets. I think it's looking very nice already, but I'm a sucker for those old styled buildings anyway

I for one have never asked for premature information about the forthcoming patch. My concerns, expressed several times already in various threads, have always been more substantive than that. However, I have yet to see anyone from CO address those concerns.

 

[Sotrax]

Since in one interview was told that the european buildings won't work with the acutal technique I am also curious how it all in all will work? I really pray for the procedural building generation, since it works the best with curved streets.