April 15th Public Beta: GENERAL FEEDBACK

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Playing Poland in the Third Crusade scenario. Hard/Coward. 1222.

It's the first time I'm playing the game with the Coward level. Already played with Aggressive and Normal, but got irritated by the Muslims getting a serious kicking in just 20 years (I mean being removed form Iberia and Africa).

In the beginning Aragon and Leon started a crusade of their own (without the game-wide crusade) gradually taking land from the Muslims in Iberia. Germany, France and England (the usual Africa holders) stayed mostly in Europe fighting each other (the Germans even hopped on me). The Sultanate of Rum is doing quite well gradually gaining power by taking out Armenia and some Byzantium counties.

There was only one crusade (Cadiz) so crusade targets were taken out by the kingdoms who were really interested in the area (Aragon is now 1/2 of Iberia).

The Cumans are in a constant war with Hungary owning Pressburg and Pest, while the other part is holding lands in Moldau. The land are switching hands very often for about 15 years now.

Eastern Europe remained intact. Not too many wars, I've seen 2 to be exact.

The Holy Land is in a tight grip of the KoJ. The only thing I don't like is the KoJ king making runs into... Persia! (omitting present day Iraq).

Apart from that I'm seriously worried by the Golden Horde performance. Initially they gained a lot of land in the Urals. However they started loosing men fast. They were at war with about 6 countries (including the all-mighty Cuman empire) and started to get a kicking. They were reduced to about 4 provinces when they received reinforcements. They once again punched their enemies back, but the whole story repeated. Now again they are 3 province big. Not exactly what I've ben preparing for.

this game was far more enjoyable than my precious ones with a higher AI aggressiveness rate.

 

[Alwin von Arlt]

Feedback

Hardest level, played almost 40 years up to now... no crashes, all seems good stability wise.

Had my first bastard events, bastard died due to an event lol

1075 crusade begins, jerusalem... most christian kingdoms seem to be able to conquer is 4/5 provinces before the counter attacks keep preventing victory. Only 1 province in almost 20 years of crusading right now is in Christian hands... a province inland 2 provinces from the sea is in Bohemian hands but nothing long term.

pretty normal game... sweden is just beating up Norway/Denmark bad, England scotland battling... Spain 50/50 christian, looks like fun to see a winner. noticed some new events, all working as intended. Hopefully I'll get more playing time tomorrow but over all....

THANKS! for the save bug fixes, etc, this patch seems the most stable yet

to me the glaring eyesore is simple enough, Crusades, particularly arab counterattacking seems nuts now. But you guys know it needs tweaking so its all good, great work on the patch.

AvA

 

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yea it seems the debug reports Johan implimented did their job.

 

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It would be nice if the savegames saved where i put my slider settings. While its easy to fix province income, reloading a game can have massive impacts on how my military lookout is.

 

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I have played a game starting in 1066 starting as count of Sjaelland and then later became king of Denmark... I am now in 1175.

Norway is owned almost by Sweden, Finland is divided by Sweden and Denmark, so Scandinavia is ok.

What is strange is the following: The kingdom of Germany owns almost the rest of Westeren Europe including Northeren italy, France northeren spain, and the Netherlands. England Controls the southeren part of spain and England Scotland....

The Muslem Kingdoms are divided up into small Sheikdoms, so there is really no major Islamic power left... Therefore Arabia is Divided between orthodox and Catholic Christians, and the same with Egypt... (The emperor of byzans proclaimed himself king of Egypt).

The game is very stable I play often on Very fast to extremely fast, and only with on CTD. I play very hard/furios.

I game of mine before this game i couldn't reload, then i came to think of something funny that happened. I had a Daugther whom I had offered to a courtier in the Kingdom og Sweden. But before he accepted (and i forgot i had made the offer) I gave her the Titles of Halland and VesterGötland and Duke of Skåne. Then He accepted and the Land was given to the Kingdom of sweden, But the countries had a flag just as if i had counquered them (you know after a siege). The provinces wasn't owned by her even (as in her she didn't have her shield) instead it was owned by the king og Sweden, but when you looked at the profile the girl it said she was the Duchess of Skåne and the Count of the two demesnes... Pretty strange right?

It hasn't happened to me since.

Another thing:

I have several "sheikdoms" that are vassals to counts of mine, but i can't interact with them, only declare war. It happens when a vassal i putting and arab from his court to be the count, even though it was a count the sheik still becomes a vassal but the computer still treat it for me as it was a holy enemy that i should defeat.

the problem:
*Sheiks can be vassals of counts.
*I can declare war against my vassals vassal as if it was a crusede og holy enemy.
*It says they are a part of my realm

Has anybody experienced this to?

(I am playing the 15 april betapatch, with the corrections)

 

[Major Sharpe]

the problem:
*Sheiks can be vassals of counts.
*I can declare war against my vassals vassal as if it was a crusede og holy enemy.
*It says they are a part of my realm

Has anybody experienced this to?

(I am playing the 15 april betapatch, with the corrections)

Yes, I find it some what realistic though that the body would submt once the head was gone, so assumed it was working as designed. If you leave them alone the rulers eventually convert to christianity. I picked some up in Scotland that not only converted to chritsianity, but through marriage to a german girl, became culturally german. Im made them Dukes of Strathclyde and Lothian in the end.

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

Yes, I experienced, my vassal counts havings sheiks as vassals.

Scotland was taken over almost entirely by the muslim sheik of Darum, a vassal of the sheik of Darum was the sheik of Argyll, so both sheiks held some provinces in Scotland and in the Sinai. I send my army to Scotland to retake it. My vassal dukes of Tyre and Galilea also dow'ed the Sheik of Darum. While I as besieging a Scottish province, a army of the Sheik of Darum landed in Scotland and sieged a provine I already took. He succeeded in that. But then I noticed something strange. The province didn't turn red (I use the reletional map)but light green, that is the colour it gets when it is one of my vassals vassal. While I moved over to the near East I saw that the Sheikdom of Darum was now the vassal of the count of Ascalon, who himself was a vassal of the Duke of Tyre, who was a vassal of me.

 

[Octavian]

Germany starts with church supremacy...It really should start with regal supremacy if we are going to have something the resembles the investiture conflict between the big papa and ze german king/emp.

 

[Damocles]

Difficulty no longer affects max-size of regiment, but instead the speed of recruitment.

I'll be honest. This just about brought a genuine tear of joy to my eyes.

 

[Giant Tourtiere]

That's WAD. Sicily is "artificially inflated" to kingdom, just as Majorca.

although Sicily was a Norman kingdom created in 1130, by Roger II. Interesting place..

 

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I'll be honest. This just about brought a genuine tear of joy to my eyes.

Well...it just goes to show you that we do really read everything you guys write. If it's well-argued and feasilbe within the coding time available from Johan or within our scripting ability then we try to accomodate as best we can. Some things are impossible, others aren't, and some are simply a decision between doing A of B since there isn't a possibility of doing A and B.

I think that ultimately we are all working towards a common goal: the best game we can achieve with the resources we have at our disposal.

I'm just glad that this is one of those things that we could do.

 

[Zander]

Any chance that the game log entries for technology advances/spreads could get province added to them? As I've noted before, it shows up in the pop-up window, but the game log entry has nothing to indicate what province the advance was gained in.
Not a critical issue, but I suspect it might be an easy fix, and I at least would find it quite handy.

 

[Damocles]

Well...it just goes to show you that we do really read everything you guys write. If it's well-argued and feasilbe within the coding time available from Johan or within our scripting ability then we try to accomodate as best we can. Some things are impossible, others aren't, and some are simply a decision between doing A of B since there isn't a possibility of doing A and B.

I think that ultimately we are all working towards a common goal: the best game we can achieve with the resources we have at our disposal.

I'm just glad that this is one of those things that we could do.

It really has totally blown me away and I've started my first serious game in a long time. Its so cool to be able to play on vhard as a Duchy or Count. Because I vastly prefer the events on that level. It is really difficult to put into a mere post (or two) just how long I've been waiting and hoping for this. Double kudos!

 

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Any chance that the game log entries for technology advances/spreads could get province added to them? As I've noted before, it shows up in the pop-up window, but the game log entry has nothing to indicate what province the advance was gained in.
Not a critical issue, but I suspect it might be an easy fix, and I at least would find it quite handy.

Surprisingly it's not quite as easy as one (I) would think to add this. But it is on the "wish list" if/when the opportunity arises.

 

[Zan Thrax]

I have no idea if this is a beta thing or just a general bug, but I've never seen it before. I honestly don't know what's happening there. Either an army is showing as a navy, or a navy is drawing several hundred miles too far north

http://members.shaw.ca/zanthrax/untitled.jpg

 

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It's working perfectly all right, the army is sailing on small lake of Bodensee there.

 

[lenny]

It really has totally blown me away and I've started my first serious game in a long time. Its so cool to be able to play on vhard as a Duchy or Count. Because I vastly prefer the events on that level. It is really difficult to put into a mere post (or two) just how long I've been waiting and hoping for this. Double kudos!

Just to give another opinion on the max regiment size matter, IMHO it makes the game easier now on VH. Last night, I started as the Count of Dauphine Viennoise and was able to conquer the Sicilian Muslims within 20 years without problems. Granted, the Count is probably the richest in Western Europe, and I got very lucky with a brilliant strategist as marshal (the count himself has a martial skill of 5, now 4 due to the reckless trait.) But, I simply had to wait until I recruited that near 4000 men the county can provide and save some money for the transfer, then sail off, declare war on a Sheik and invade. The new alliance rules prevented any escalation of the war, as the single allies of the sheiks refused to come to their help every time (I am still part of Germany ), and my men completed the sieges before the King or my Duke even set sails.

However, I very much like the new flavor events. It was quite annoying when my wife asked for shopping money when I just ordered the troops on their first med-cruise. (I was lucky and she only got modest.) Also, the new Bastard events are nice.

 

[Hogar]

movement problem

Can movement problem be solved by a tech? Give us a fictional tech that is required for sailing at the open sees. In official path this tech is given to all the countries satisfying Johan's principle of fair play but also gives modding community ability to do what we like.

 

[Grell74]

Hogar thats a bloody good idea. A lot of people (myself included) are very keen for constraints to be put on the super amphibious invasions which occur now, depsite Johan' insistence that this is WAD. Or even restrict it to a building (e.g. Port size).

Could something along these lines also be applied to movement through religious enemies (or at least vassals/allies). A shiekdom marching through Germany to attack the German King's demnse and having all the German vassals do bugger all about it is just silly.

 

[Lucius Sulla]

After playing 100+ years of reconquista... not a single province was assimilated culturally... all of them converted to catholicism, though.