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32-bit OS is a joke. It's not just about the amount of memory it can address. It's mostly about kernel resources, or lack thereof.

Any modern PC is running a 64-bit OS by now. If you don't have it, catch up. It's 2014.
 

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Although I run 64 bit they should do what they did with CK2 and create a stable branch ending here for the 32 bit players and continue expanding for the 64. This way the 32 bit players get a solid stable game that is as good as possible and the 64 bits can continue to go ahead.
 

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Although I run 64 bit they should do what they did with CK2 and create a stable branch ending here for the 32 bit players and continue expanding for the 64. This way the 32 bit players get a solid stable game that is as good as possible and the 64 bits can continue to go ahead.

That's NOT what they did with CK2. CK2 didn't give a "shell 500 bucks or die" choice.
 

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Is the CPU that important? Gfx card RAM helps more after loading up the game doesnt it ?
 

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There is no noticable difference in performance... For the 1% still on 32-bit systems, I'd recommend to upgrade as soon as possible, as not all those systems will handle the minor memory increase.
Whether the "1%" is literally true or not, this ... start planning your move to 64Windows ASAP. I'm not sure how much time you do have, but I'd be surprised if it were as much as a year.

How much RAM do we need to run EU4 now?
The published spec stays at 2gb I believe. But in practical terms I agree with Johan; a 64bit OS and 4gb of memory is the operational reality now. 4gb under 32bit Windows is still a problem, because 32bit Windows limits all apps together to only 2gb of memory anyway, even if you have 4gb installed.

Good god. Is there a limit to optimization? I want to see 5000 provinces with the same gamespeed eventually.
There sure is, and in all honesty I wouldn't rely on optimization to solve this problem forever. CK2 hit the limit about 2 years after release with a major map size increase; here we are just over a year after EU4 release with a large increase in province numbers. I would take this as a straw in the wind and start planning your move to 64bit Windows ASAP.

Is the CPU that important? Gfx card RAM helps more after loading up the game doesnt it ?
They are all important in various ways. But video memory is least of all once you have enough; the benefit between say 1gb and 2gb, or 2gb and 4gb, is minimal. It's the GPU's processing power we use.

In PDX games CPU/RAM are very important, you only really need an integrated GPU.
Not true at all, I'm afraid - we use the GPU for various classes of calculation at which it is better than a CPU. I'd go as far as to say the GPU's processing power is the single most important hardware factor, once you have adequate system and video memory.
 

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Why is the application still 32-bit, when Paradox is suggesting to move to a 64-bit system?
I'm running OS X 10.9.5 on an i5 iMac.
 

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slooooow down. My old 6 year cpu* can handle any game. The only limit is the ram but then i need to change all components. If the game can run in a 32 bits yet there is no need to force 64 bits for everyone.

(QuadCore 6600 @ 3.0
4gb RAM
Ssd disk (this is new)
Nvidia GTX660 (this is more or less new.
Windows 7 32 bits.)

The major problems I have right now are mostly big sandboxgames where the ram is the limit (Space enginners for example, probably minecraft if the world is big enough) and Plantery Anihilation if I want to play on a battlefield of more of 2 two planets.

Im going to change my computer more sonner than later but slow down, throwing the money on something that you really dont need right now its a problem of modern times! :p.
 
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slooooow down. My old 6 year cpu* can handle any game. The only limit is the ram but then i need to change all components. If the game can run in a 32 bits yet there is no need to force 64 bits for everyone.

Note that if you purchase a copy of windows 7/8/10 64 bit and install it (system wipe) will allow 32bit apps to use ~3.5Gb (instead of 2Gb) of your 4gb of memory without any hardware changes, this should satisify basically all games out now and in the near future.
Then if you want another ~£40 can replace your memory with 8Gb (most motherboards of this age should support 2x4gb ram sticks) and now 64 apps can use the whole 8Gb.
 

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Well, here are my desktop's specs :

-Core 2 Duo E6400 2.13 GHz. This is 8 years old.
-GeForce GTS 250, video memory : 1 GB. Changed in 2010.
-RAM : 8 GB. I pushed the RAM to the motherboard's limits last year.
-Windows 7 64 bits

As you can see, my CPU is the one thing that makes my games slow. If I change it, I'll have to change the motherboard with it, and I may as well change everything.

Yet, CK2 didn't become slower than it was with RoI's patch.
 

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Note that if you purchase a copy of windows 7/8/10 64 bit and install it (system wipe) will allow 32bit apps to use ~3.5Gb (instead of 2Gb) of your 4gb of memory without any hardware changes, this should satisify basically all games out now and in the near future.
Then if you want another ~£40 can replace your memory with 8Gb (most motherboards of this age should support 2x4gb ram sticks) and now 64 apps can use the whole 8Gb.

I know, but probably Im going to purchase a new one and use the "old" PC for my living room. Who needs a ps4/xbone or steam machine :D? (ok, its a like x3 size of a modern console but..)
 

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The published spec stays at 2gb I believe. But in practical terms I agree with Johan; a 64bit OS and 4gb of memory is the operational reality now. 4gb under 32bit Windows is still a problem, because 32bit Windows limits all apps together to only 2gb of memory anyway, even if you have 4gb installed.

Let me understand. Someone sees the (official) published specs, buy the game because he should be able to make it run, then it comes out that he doesn't. So he bought a game he can't run, that you said he could run. Sorry, but it sounds a bit murky - if the "operational reality" changed, you should change the published specs as well.
 

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Although I run 64 bit they should do what they did with CK2 and create a stable branch ending here for the 32 bit players and continue expanding for the 64.
Well, EU IV does offer you versions going back as far as 1.3.2 on Steam, so if they keep that up you should still be able to play the current version after AoW launches.
 

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Let me understand. Someone sees the (official) published specs, buy the game because he should be able to make it run, then it comes out that he doesn't. So he bought a game he can't run, that you said he could run. Sorry, but it sounds a bit murky - if the "operational reality" changed, you should change the published specs as well.
It will run, not just as smoothly as 64-bit...
Isn't that what the Dev has said so far in this thread?

Which probably means it won't run as smooth as I wish it to be in my out-of-date laptop, but we'll see...
 
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32-bit OS is a joke. It's not just about the amount of memory it can address. It's mostly about kernel resources, or lack thereof.

Any modern PC is running a 64-bit OS by now. If you don't have it, catch up. It's 2014.
That statement is quite funny in itself considering that EU4 is a 32bit program. It rarely uses > 2GB, and a PAE 32bit OS can access a full 4GB of ram. Only bloated OS' need worry. My Arch Linux box running XFCE uses maybe 300-400 mb for the base OS, unlike Windows 7/8 which use > 1.4GB easily without running a single program. So it all comes down to what OS you're running, not whether it's 32 or 64bit.
 

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That statement is quite funny in itself considering that EU4 is a 32bit program. It rarely uses > 2GB, and a PAE 32bit OS can access a full 4GB of ram. Only bloated OS' need worry. My Arch Linux box running XFCE uses maybe 300-400 mb for the base OS, unlike Windows 7/8 which use > 1.4GB easily without running a single program. So it all comes down to what OS you're running, not whether it's 32 or 64bit.
You have a vierd Win7, my uses 600mb without programs running.