AOW - Royal Marriages between different religions!

[The kalrSalian]

To be fair PUS arent 100% random, there is a guide around here that explains it in detail. But it is an extremely hidden and intentionally shady system.

(The guy above me made that guide btw)

 

[mudcrabmerchant]

Essentially every relevant power in Western Europe went to war with France over them potentially inheriting Spain, and I think it would be appropriate to have all PU's accrue AE equivalent to annexation of the smaller partner, regardless of senior or junior status.

So, if the king of Navarra becomes the king of France, nobody will really care, but if France and Spain try to merge as the blob to end all blobs, then their neighbors and rivals unite as the coalition to end all coalitions, and you get a nice world war.

 

[atwix]

ridiculous. If you don't want France Pu'ing Castille, PU Castille yourself. If YOU would get PU, i doubt you'd complain. Plz don't use France as an argument to ruin an implemented historical mechanic..

AE and coalition is plain bad idea, ahistorical and counter intuitive because in reality politicians arranged royal marriages to *avoid* wars, not to get a coalition.

 

[No idea]

What's the point of royal marriages if you have 0 chance of getting a PU out of them..

Alliances. Or, at least, having more gurantees that particular country wont attack you. It can still do it, but it will take a stab hit if it does.

 

[BaZERGer]

Really? Is this non-christian only?

I've been playing christian lately and there is a big fat -1,000 malus for wrong religious group.

Other religions seems to be affected too, perhaps he misunderstood the change that allows you to do it without having a royal marriage(which you couldn't do between religious grooups), as the ability to vassalize between religious groups, or they forgot that the diplomatic vassalization option also checks and restricts based on religious groups, when they removed the royal marriage requirement.

 

[grisamentum]

To be fair PUS arent 100% random, there is a guide around here that explains it in detail. But it is an extremely hidden and intentionally shady system.

(The guy above me made that guide btw)

You mean the guide that says "you need *luck* for this. A ton of it," ?

 

[atwix]

You mean the guide that says "you need *luck* for this. A ton of it," ?

please don't put a quote out of its context.

I had Burgundy, England, Austria, Spain, Lithuania and Hungary as minor PU subjects AT ONCE with France divided between me and Burgundy, and with chances for Portugal and Sweden too. Of course, you need *luck* for this. A ton of it. But you'd be suprised how many greater powers go to disputed succesion status sooner or later.

i obviously mean that you need a ton of luck to get 6 PU minor subjects at once, of which 4(well 5) were greater nations.

And I want to add that i got them all thanks to the mechanics i describe in the guide. If i hadn't done my thing, i would have gotten none. So its hardly luck based. The only "luck" involved is getting the right events in the right countries, of heirs dying while ruler lives on.Or an heirless nation with a 50+ king NOT getting an event for a new heir after you did an RM. Rest is all game AI abiding to formulae, after you watch the right things and do the right actions ingame.

If you still believe PU are purely luck based, you obviously didn't read the guide well, sorry.

 

[ozonns]

I dunno how I feel about PUs being Europe-only, honestly.

Feels kind of crummy, even with marriages being enabled cross-faith outside of Europe.

it is not "Europe only", it is christian only, you can always try to convert Ming to Christian faith..

 

[kosarev]

ridiculous. If you don't want France Pu'ing Castille, PU Castille yourself. If YOU would get PU, i doubt you'd complain. Plz don't use France as an argument to ruin an implemented historical mechanic..

AE and coalition is plain bad idea, ahistorical and counter intuitive because in reality politicians arranged royal marriages to *avoid* wars, not to get a coalition.

How is ahistorical when the war of the Spanish succession happened? France inheriting Spain should make everyone go bonkers, peaceful inheritance or not.

 

[atwix]

How is ahistorical when the war of the Spanish succession happened? France inheriting Spain should make everyone go bonkers, peaceful inheritance or not.

If Savoy got succesion war over Castile, would it be okay then? Still sounds like a "don't make France OP" argument.

And well, war of the spanish succession did make entire Europa go bonkers when they realized France and Spain were defacto one.

So what you would like to see is some way to start some sort of coalition war when a big nation gets PU over another big nation? Seeing as you are right about a coalition being formed when France got PU over Spain.. Maybe it should be implemented. But I still argue that you shouldn't use "NERF France" as an argument to change succession mechanics.