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macedonian culture? the people of fyrom are clearly slavs, when someone says "macedonian culture" one tends to think of Alexander the great, not slavs. It is insane saying that a greek living in macedonia (in greece) can have either macedonian or greek culture, its like saying that a french living in Rouen can have either norman or french culture.
 

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also i think that if you go with a bulgarian minority in macedonia you should have a greek minority in rumelia. The best solution is to have only greek/serbian in macedonia and only bulgarian in rumelia, because i understand that if bulgaria doesnt even have 2 provinces it isnt playable. What does my bulgarian neighbour think? :)
 

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Current setup, Balkan area + surroundings:

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country name

state culture, statereligion
owned province, culture, religion
owned province, culture, religion
etc
National provinces: current (gainable through events)

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Greece

greek, orthodox
Hellas, greek, orthodox
National provinces: Hellas, Morea (Macedonia, Corfu, Ionia, Rhodes, Crete)

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Ottoman Empire
turkish, arabic, slavonic, greek, sunni

European possessions:
Bosnia, slavonic, sunni
Albania, albanian, sunni
Kosovo, albanian, sunni
Bulgaria, bulgarian, orthodox
Rumelia, bulgarian, orthodox
Moldavia, romanian, orthodox
Wallachia, romanian, orthodox
Dobrudja, romanian, orthodox
Thrace, turkish, sunni
Macedonia, greek, orthodox
Ionia, greek, orthodox
Crete, greek, orthodox
Rhodes, greek, orthodox
Morea, greek, orthodox
Cyprus, greek, orthodox

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Montenegro
slavonic, orthodox

Ragusa, slavonic, orthodox
National: Ragusa
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Serbia
slavonic, orthodox

Serbia, slavonic, orthodox
National: Serbia, Kosovo (Albania, Ragusa, Kosovo, Bosnia, Banat, Dalmatia, Croatia)

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Austria

Balkan possessions:
Dalmatia, slavonic, catholic
Istria, italian, catholic
Croatia, slavonic, catholic
Krain, slavonic, catholic
Banat, magyar, catholic
Maros, magyar, catholic
Pest, magyar, catholic
Transylvania, magyar, orthodox
Ruthenia, magyar, orthodox
 
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Originally posted by iwannhs
also i think that if you go with a bulgarian minority in macedonia you should have a greek minority in rumelia. The best solution is to have only greek/serbian in macedonia and only bulgarian in rumelia, because i understand that if bulgaria doesnt even have 2 provinces it isnt playable. What does my bulgarian neighbour think? :)

Where did I say there was a bulgarian MINORITY in Macedonia? :confused: And why would I claim such a thing?
 

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Styrbiorn you should have Smyrna as a greek populated province as well, before 1922 there were more than 2 million greeks in that province. Also Trebizond should have greek+armenian culture.
 

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Originally posted by iwannhs
also i think that if you go with a bulgarian minority in macedonia you should have a greek minority in rumelia. The best solution is to have only greek/serbian in macedonia and only bulgarian in rumelia, because i understand that if bulgaria doesnt even have 2 provinces it isnt playable. What does my bulgarian neighbour think? :)

NO offence iwannhs, but what is it with this idea of having SERBIAN cluture in macedonia? Why on earth? Having greek as an alternative if greece captures it is a compromise that I can accept only because of Thessaloniki.
I know that in the end noone gives a flying s**t about bulgarians, I don't know why I'm wating my f***ing time anyway...
 

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Originally posted by iwannhs
Styrbiorn you should have Smyrna as a greek populated province as well, before 1922 there were more than 2 million greeks in that province. Also Trebizond should have greek+armenian culture.

You can only have one culture in each province.

NO offence iwannhs, but what is it with this idea of having SERBIAN cluture in macedonia? Why on earth? Having greek as an alternative if greece captures it is a compromise that I can accept only because of Thessaloniki.
I know that in the end noone gives a flying s**t about bulgarians, I don't know why I'm wating my f***ing time anyway...

Macedonia is Greek because of Thessaloniki, that's correct.

Calm down, what do you mean with that second part, that no one cares about Bulgaria?

And please, don't use those *....
 

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Originally posted by Styrbiorn


You can only have one culture in each province.



Macedonia is Greek because of Thessaloniki, that's correct.

Calm down, what do you mean with that second part, that no one cares about Bulgaria?

And please, don't use those *....

Sorry I've been under some stress lately. And I really am left with this impression everytime. :(
 

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Ok :)

Do you have any suggestions about Bulgaria then? We have already a few events rising the revolt risk in Bulgaria and one event that has granting Bulgaria independence as first choice (that event may happen anytime after 1875).
 

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Other point... Do we have events concerning the Balkan uprisings already? Bosnia, Serbia, and, most notably Wallachia/Moldavia/Romania?
 

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Some info...

BOSNIA
- Under Austrian government (vassal): 1878
- Annexation by Austria: 1908

SERBIA
- Autonomous from Turkey: 1829
- Independant: 1878

WALLACHIA
- Autonomy acquired: 1856

MOLDAVIA
- Autonomy acquired: 1856

ROMANIA: merged Wallachia & Moldavia
- Union in 1859
- Independance in 1878
 

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Originally posted by VultureGFF
Other point... Do we have events concerning the Balkan uprisings already? Bosnia, Serbia, and, most notably Wallachia/Moldavia/Romania?

Not for the latter. No events about Moldavian/Wallachian events have been made.
 

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Originally posted by Styrbiorn
Ok :)

Do you have any suggestions about Bulgaria then? We have already a few events rising the revolt risk in Bulgaria and one event that has granting Bulgaria independence as first choice (that event may happen anytime after 1875).

Can I see somewhere exactly what events you have?
Of course you DO have an 'april 1876 uprising' event, right? :)
The one that trgered the russo-ottoman liberation war? :)
The Tsarigrad confrence?
Silistra btw, the city of Dobruja is and has always been bulgarian. But I haven't said a word about it. And I won't complain at all that dobruja is romanian.
 
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Events concerning Bulgaria (feel free to write descriptions, as I lost mine...):
Code:
event = { 
	id = 17026
	random = no
	country = TUR
	trigger = {
		NOT = {	exists = BUL}
		owned = { province = 356 data = -1}
	} 
	date = { year = 1835 }
	offset = 200
	deathdate = { year = 1935 }
	name = "Bulgarian Revolt!"
	desc = "EVENTHIST17026"
	style = 1
	action_a = {
			name = "Ok"
			command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 356 value = 4 }
			command = { type = revolt which = 356 }
			command = { type = revolt which = 356 }
			command = { type = revolt which = 356 }
	}		
}
event = { 
	id = 17027
	random = no
	country = TUR
	trigger = {
		NOT = {	exists = BUL}
		owned = { province = 356 data = -1}
	} 
	date = { year = 1841 }
	offset = 200
	deathdate = { year = 1935 }
	name = "Bulgarian Revolt!"
	desc = "EVENTHIST17027"
	style = 1
	action_a = {
			name = "Ok"
			command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 356 value = 5 }
			command = { type = revolt which = 356 }
			command = { type = revolt which = 356 }
			command = { type = revolt which = 356 }
	}		
}
event = { 
	id = 17028
	random = no
	country = TUR
	trigger = {
		NOT = {	exists = BUL }
		owned = { province = 356 data = -1}
	} 
	date = { year = 1875 }
	offset = 200
	deathdate = { year = 1935 }
	name = "Bulgarian Revolt!"
	desc = "EVENTHIST17028"
	style = 1
	action_a = {
			name = "Grant independence"
			command = { type = independence which = BUL }
			command = { type = breakvassal which = BUL }
	}
	action_b = {
			name = "Crush them!"
			command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 356 value = 15 }
			command = { type = revoltrisk which = 12 value = 5 }
	}		
}

Please alter them if you like, those event weren't exactly we--researched... :eek:
 

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Sorry, I don't know how to handle events but I can tell you what to do :eek: :)

Um, now I am very surprised that you still don't have events for the liberation... :)

In the summer, autumn and winter of 1876 the Russian government went out of its way to settle the Bulgarian question in a peaceful way. It made attempts to smooth its contradictions with the other European powers. The so-called Tsarigrad conference (the south Slavonic name for Constantinople) which took place in December 1876, was the culmination of their diplomatic effort with Russia, Britain, France, Austria-Hungary, Germany and Italy all taking part in it. The joint reform-prescribing plan to which Turkey committed itself in advance, made provision for the autonomy of all Bulgarian-inhabited lands in Macedonia, Moesia, Thrace and Dobrudja. These lands were part of the two Bulgarian states with their respective capital cities of Turnovo and Sofia. The territories of these two states extended as far as the ethnic boundaries of the Bulgarian people and, despite their artificial division, they were adequate to the Bulgarians' needs and aspirations. Turkey, however, impudently rejected that plan on the very day of its signing. This last-minute prestige-harming flop made even the Turkey-supporting West European states withdraw their customary back-up and agree to a military settlement of the Bulgarian question.

So we should have an event in 1877 that gives Turkey the option of creating a vassal/independent Bulgaria, or getting even more revolt risk, plus Russia getting a CB and bad realtions with all Great Powers.
Then we should have an event,maybe triggered each year, if Russia gets bulgarian provinces after a war, it creates an independent Bulagria.
 

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Originally posted by Styrbiorn
The last event is the Bulgarian liberation event, but I'll alter it after your suggestions.

Just to make myself clear, I doubt Turkey would've given Bulgaria independence in 1875 :) There had to be international pressure, which only occured after the april uprising in 1876, due to it's brutal supression. So, Turkey should still get the increased revoltrisk in 1875 but the option for independence in 1877. The if it refuses, even more revoltrisk, Russia gets CB and the option declare war immediately or lose 1 stab.
 
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All right. I'll keep it in one event though, choosing to release them or supress them, which will seriously increase the revolt risk and give the Russians a CB (and also enabling the events of setting Bulgaria free from Russia).
 

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zmeiat i didnt try to sound offensive, i am sorry. Yet you should admit that it would be a bit strange to have bulgarian culture in macedonia when we dont have greek in rumelia. I would like to say that i am ALL in favour of there being a bulgarian nation in AoN and always thought that it was missing from the game. The damn engine has the balcans as too few provinces though :) As for the serbian culture in macedonia i was generally thinking of the a ussual serb line: "skopje is one of our historic cities".

on another note: do have a look at my "greek flags" thread, maybe there can be some events about the cretan principality and the ionian republic :)