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Check is needed.

North Africa:

MOR: 805 806 1595 733
XHO: 734 735 736 737 738
TUN: 739 VAS TRI
TRI: 740 should have very low population or be a colony
MAM: 741 742 743 744 745 746 747 748 749 494 493 492 491 495
cyrenaica should have very low population 1500 or be a colony
SPA island possession: 817
POR island and coastal possession: 732 823

West Africa:

U07: mossi 1494
U08: hausa 1499 1501 1502
U09: oyo 1500
BEN: benin 791 792 793
DAH: dahomey 1498
ASH: ashanti 1492 1493
KON: kongo 787 788 1503 1504 1505 1506
MAL: mali 1487 1488 1489 1491
SON: shongai 1490 1495 1496 1497 MA throug U07 or owning 1494
POR colonies: 794 801 816
shongai ate up a part of mali empire, ashanti too. kongo expanded a little

East Africa:

SUD: Nubia 750 751
ETH: Ethiopia 752 753 1516 1517 (1588 1589 1590 province should be natives owned by ETH)
CYR: Adal 754 755 1518 (758 1519 province should be natives owned by CYR)
DEL: Mogadisho 757 759 760
ARM: Malindi 761 762 1515
ZUL: Mombasa 763 1514
ZAN: Kilwa 764 765 766 767 1512 1513
ZIM: Zimbabwe 1508 1509 1510 1511

 

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I'll confirm ASAP. I'm sorry I was so slow...

 

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Originally posted by Barbalele


West Africa:

U07: mossi 1494
U08: hausa 1499 1501 1502
U09: oyo 1500
BEN: benin 791 792 793
DAH: dahomey 1498
ASH: ashanti 1492 1493
KON: kongo 787 788 1503 1504 1505 1506
BAN: timbuctu (?)
MAL: mali 1487 1488 1489 1491
SON: shongai 1490 1495 1496 1497
POR colonies: 794 816
shongai ate up a part of mali empire, ashanti too. kongo expanded a little

Okay if Mossi is to be independent, then Songhai needs military access through Mossi. Otherwise ax Mossi and give its province to Songhai. Really just a matter of interpretation. It might help Songhai if the Mossi don't exist though.

Give 795 back to ASH and 1492 back to MAL. (Capital of Mali should be in Niani at this point.)

Give Portugal a small colony in either 802 or 801.

Timbuktu should not exist at this point as it was taken by Songhai.

 

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Originally posted by Barbalele
Check is needed.

North Africa:

MOR: 805 806 1595 732 733
XHO: 734 735 736 737
TUN: 738 739 740
tripoli should be a colony with natives (beduins sometimes revolt)
MAM: 741 742 743 744 745 746 747 748 749 494 493 492 491 495
cyrenaica should be a mamalucks colony or indipendent
SPA island possession: 817
POR island and coastal possession: 372 823
CYR: 741 (?)

Give 738 to XHO as the event to give it back has fired by this point.

It might be best just to have Tripoli independent as a vassal of Tunisia. Based off the even that 'gives' 738 to XHO. Don't make it colony just because of the wierd effects that could happen tied with that its inconsistent with the GC.

We no longer have a tag for Cyrenaica, just leave it as is, similar to reasons for keeping Tripoli the same.

Give 732 to Portugal, they had Ceuta and Tangiers by this point.

 

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Originally posted by Barbalele

East Africa:

SUD: Nubia 750 751
ETH: Ethiopia 752 753 1516 1517 (1588 1589 1590 IMO this province should be natives)
CYR: Adal 754 755 1518 (758 1519 IMO this province should be natives)
DEL: Mogadisho 757 759 760
ARM: Malindi 761 762 1515
ZUL: Mombasa 763 1514
ZAN: Kilwa 764 765 766 767 1512 1513
ZIM: Zimbabwe (1507 IMO this province should be natives) 1508 1509 1510 1511

For Ethiopia's provinces (1588, 1589, and 1590) you can have natives there, but Ethiopia should still own the province. Otherwise, we'll end up with wierd colonizations. Do the same for Adal.

1507 should be native so don't give it to Zimbabwe.

Technically, 771, 769, and 768 should be owned by Kilwa but until we get ai help for Portugal, I'd just leave them blank. However, you can give Zimbabwe 770 because it did have port access.

 

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Does Shongay need help?
I'll take away Timbuctu off course, was an error .

The problem is: what i had rode about african coast is that this has been unpopulated as european come. I took 795 away from ashanti for this reason... and mali should not own 1492 if i look on my map... maybe we should find an arrangement.

I preferr 801 for portugal colony.

What about a gold mine in Elmina (794)? Could be low incomes till european own this province and raised with an event.

What about cyrenaica?

 

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Actually 795 was technically held by another nation the Fante, who traded goods from the coast inland to the Ashanti, although the two hated each other.

When I re-setup which each province represented, I kept Niani as Niani, which was the ancient capital of Mali and were they moved when Jenne was taken by Songhai.

I can remember on the coasts, is the Gold Coast east or west of the Ivory Coast?

 

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Originally posted by Barbalele
Does Shongay need help?

I don't know if it would from that setup. In 1419, though, it gets eaten many times. So I'd test to see what happens.

 

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East

 

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Okay, then that'd make sense, though I need to change it for 1419 as well. Perhaps the coastal CoT should be there too then. Either El Mina, or 795 for the Fante is best, though the whole Fante trade wasn't big till the 17th century.

 

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Ehm... i've never seen a Zimbabwe reaching the seaside in my maps...

What now about 795, elmina gold mine and 1492 province?
Do you mean Fante in RL cause i can't find it in EEP...

I prefer to have an inland COT. Something like timbuctu is much better IMO.

 

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I mean Fante in real life. We don't have a Fante, since technically, Ashanti and Dahomey weren't real players till 16th/17th century.

I just returned a library book that showed Zimbabwe with a coast. Because I returned it, I can't scan in an image, will do when I can. There should actually be two separate nations in Zimbabwe but I didn't want to take the tags (same situation as Fante).

There should really be two CoTs by 1492ish. One in Timbuktu and one on the coast, though maybe thats a 1520 thing.

I'd give 1492 to Mali as capital. Give 795 to Ashanti, better than having Euros colonize. Put a gold mine in that southern Dahomey province. I think that maybe (1419 thing) Dahomey shouldn't even exist at start, but I'll look into that.

 

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Ok i'll wait to solve those issues.
Elmina is not more a dahomey province in 1492. Should be a portuguese colony (400-500) with minimal fort.
A coastal COT in 1492... better an inland one.

 

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Oh I know about that Dahomey province, I just referred to it as that because thats what it is in 1419. If you don't have a coastal CoT, then we will need to add one by event, eventually. I mean, the Portuguese did not travel inland in order to trade.

 

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Yes that could be a problem... but how big was portuguese trade with african natives? Did not the trading still went mostly on saharian routes till a long time? It seems to me niger river hard for ships at this time. Could be wrong, but seemed to me... and how small will be 2 near african COTs?

 

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Okay, I say hold off on the CoT coastal till 16th century. However, we eventually do want trade to become small. I had a quote once that talked about how trade was divided between Timbuktu and the coast.

 

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What about for a coastal COT around 1600 in Fernando Poo?

 

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Perhaps..I'll have to look into again. I never really got that far in researching, as I was primarily concerned with making sure everything worked properly in 1419.

 

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On all those events that are needed, I do have a lot of drafts scripted, but I need to test them out. I'm thinking of an AI Portugal set and a human Portugal set. The AI clearly needs more help then the player.

 

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Is it not possible to give to mali another capital in AOE? I'm sorry to insist, but it really seems to me they should not own this province.