Anyone have a suggestion about removing Romanian guarantee to Turkey (as Democratic Greece)

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Turkey removes it later (but can gain other guarantees till that time)
You also by bringing home republicans, you are canceling your participation in Balkan pact, which cancels Romanian guarantee.
 

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Romania cancels it when they appoint pro-fascist government.

So either wait for that to happen, or bear the consequences of violating the Balkan Pact.
 

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The entire point of Romanian guarantees is to represent the Entente alliance from WW1, but considering France and UK are also present in this war Romania would have no choice but to back down unless if it gets supported by Axis or Commies.

They really should remove the guarantee If you go for Megali Idea and have successfull Heraklion convention. Not only does Romania not share borders with Greece or Turkey, but it's infuriating and can also escalate into WW2 because of it.
 
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The entire point of Romanian guarantees is to represent the Entente alliance from WW1, but considering France and UK are also present in this war Romania would have no choice but to back down unless if it gets supported by Axis or Commies.

They really should remove the guarantee If you go for Megali Idea and have successfull Heraklion convention. Not only does Romania not share borders with Greece or Turkey, but it's infuriating and can also escalate into WW2 because of it.

No,they represent the Balkan Pact. A loose alliance system to contain Bulgarian expansion and maintain the status-quo of the Balkans. Greece Turkey, Romania, and Yugoslavia agreed to drop their territorial grieviances . Considering that Greece leaves it and too want to expand and upset the balance of power in the Balkans it is fitting. If anything, Yugoslavia should also have guaranteed Romania and Turkey.
 
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No,they represent the Balkan Pact. A loose alliance system to contain Bulgarian expansion. Considering that Greece leaves it and too want to expand and upset the balance of power in the Balkans it is fitting.
It's not fitting when UK and France also have a say in it. You really think Romania would go to war with 2 majors over Turkey...
 
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It's not fitting when UK and France also have a say in it. You really think Romania would go to war with 2 majors over Turkey...

I think Romania and Yugoslavia should get an event where they decide if they want to honor their commitments or not. The latter will disband the Balkan Pact (guarantees and bonus to relations).

If they choose to intervene, then if Greece is capitulated a status quo white peace should fire, UK and/or France can decide if they want to continue the fight to take Kurdistan and Armenia or white peace - those areas do not concern the Balkan Pact. If Turkey is capitulated Romania and/or Yugoslavia should get event choice to white peace or continue the fight.

Would make it more interactive and give it more depth.
 
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In general it's a bit of a problem. With the current bug allowing Bulgaria to seize Thrace and Macedonia no matter what I'd generally want to wipe them out first (plus after forming Byzantium the Allies will probably guarantee them due to how much tension you've caused). However if you do so, now you share a border with Romania, having the manpower to hold off Romania whilst you're dealing with Turkey would be rather difficult as things look now. You can get around it a little by timing your attack to right after Turkey does the focus removing them from the Balkan Pact but the window of oppurtunity is quite small.
 
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