Anyone find this situation really annoying?

[Sharples88]

Holstein is the emperor. I am France. The objective for me is to try and dismantle the empire. I allied Munster, Salzburg and Saxony. Verden was allied to the emperor, which is Holstein.

I declare war on Provence, they have no allies and are in the HRE. Theoretically this means that to dismantle the empire, all I have to do is siege down Verden's and Holstiens capitals down. Okay, that's fine.

This is where Brunswick comes in. The emperor added them in during the war. So you'd expect me to declare war on them right as well?

Well there's a mechanic that doesn't let you do that for some reason. So they can add electors during a war but you can't kill those electors..... in a different war?

*sigh*

 

[Ninaran]

Seperate Peace the Emperor and you can attack the next elector. The Emperor will join again so you just re-siege his capital and the Elector and you're good to go.

 

[Sharples88]

Seperate Peace the Emperor and you can attack the next elector. The Emperor will join again so you just re-siege his capital and the Elector and you're good to go.

But that means No CB'ing that elector. And tbh, I'm already really high on the AE... And I'm kinda afraid they might just add yet another elector into that way too, haha.

I guess I'm just going to ally them and wait the truce out again, that way if they do get electors it's very high they'll get to seven, the maximum.

 

[SPAMbuca]

What you could try is to force convert the new elector in the meantime. He would lose his status as elector and you'd be good to go still.

 

[netherlink]

What you could try is to force convert the new elector in the meantime. He would lose his status as elector and you'd be good to go still.

He'd need to be at war with him to do that, and that's doing the trick in the first place xD

*EDIT*
Maybe the new elector has a "good" ally you have a CB on?

 

[SPAMbuca]

Your edit is my point exactly. If he has a friend outside of the HRE, he can still get it done. I thought however, that all hostile electors had to be in the same war, but apparantly it's not the case.

 

[Badesumofu]

I sometimes feel like there should just be a 'dismantle the HRE' CB. If there was some way to make that you could only take land with that CB if you were successful in dismantling the Empire that seems like it would be reasonable. It just seems wonky that the hardest part about dismantling is often actually just managing to be at war with all the required parties at the same time. I've never found it to be challenging militarily once I reached a point where I wanted to dismantle.

 

[PhoenixG]

You don't need to be at war with all of them. Just look which electors are allied with the emperor and ally those aren't allied to the emperor. Save you lot of hassle.

 

[netherlink]

I sometimes feel like there should just be a 'dismantle the HRE' CB. If there was some way to make that you could only take land with that CB if you were successful in dismantling the Empire that seems like it would be reasonable. It just seems wonky that the hardest part about dismantling is often actually just managing to be at war with all the required parties at the same time. I've never found it to be challenging militarily once I reached a point where I wanted to dismantle.

Totally agree. You could make "Dismantle HRE" an option in the peace treaty instead, which either costs a lot or the CB prohibits to take land or smth...

 

[Sharples88]

I've managed to dismantle it. I allied Brunswick and eliminated the emperor. Portugal become the new one, so I went over to them (who had no allies) and sieged them down. Then dismantled. (Also should note, I did make the empire Protestant).

I've been thinking about of dismantle the HRE CB myself. But I wasn't sure how to manage it. Obviously given it's the HRE, it should be a big war, and probably involve all the electors (who have no choice but to accept). This will include the emperor's allies. You would have to be at like around 80% warscore to demand a dismantle. This CB can only trigger on the current emperor, and cannot be used by anyone who is currently in the HRE. I think it would give the HRE a bit of realism, since it seems kinda weird that you can ally electors to remove the dismantle part of it.

 

[Ninaran]

The HRE in general needs more work put into it. They'll always sit at 0 IA after a very few decades and once the reformation hits, nothing will happen anyways. The most I've seen the AI do was pass two reforms. Which also only happened a hand full of times in my 1000 hours since Common Sense. Actually I think even seeing just one reform has become super rare with.. 1.18 or 1.19 for some reason.