Anyone else see this odd AI behavior?

[unmerged(11606)]

I fired up the Barbarossa scenario hands off playing a Mengkukuo (?), an Axis minor (so minor it's not even funny). Barbarossa was slow, but it made slogging progress towards Leningrad / Moscow. Romania wasn't even able to recapture it's original territory, even after Moscow and Leningrad fell.

But, that's not the odd part. The odd part is that the Germans moved *every* division guarding the French coast to guard it's border with it's ally Italy. What's more, even after Britain said "lookie here, Cherbourg looks nice" and invaded, it took 3 months before even started to move *any* of them back. All of the Axis countries are acting this way. They are all guarding their allies' border with substantial troops, even while waging desperate fights elsewhere.

For example, the Germans have 5 divisions trying to stave off the British, while they have 30+ divisions (!!!!!) guarding the borders to Italy, Bulgaria, and Romania. All this while almost every port is wide open.

Yes, I'm using the 1.1 patch.

 

[Hardcore_gamer]

It sounds like the AI in this game is crap, hopefully Paradox will fix it in a patch.

 

[Sunfighter]

If you watch the AI closely, sometimes you might even spot them all leaving the front lines to go defend a border of a country they arnt at war with.

I watched Japan slowly starting to push back after allowing Shaxi to take over 2/3s of Japans China puppet, They got near to the original borders, and then decide to pull EVERYBODY from the front line and go back to border guard the soviet border..... Shaxi then marched all the way unopposed to Korea

 

[unmerged(11606)]

It seems like there's something awfully wrong with the threat levels when the AI is more scared of it's allies and countries it's not at war with than with it's true enemies.

 

[unmerged(30197)]

Ya I tried Japan earlier and same deal whenever I put any unit on the main land under AI control it moves them all to the Russian border even tho were at war with china it left 3 units on the border with china but won't move anything from the Russian border. I manually moved all but the garrison units to the border with China engaged them into combat with China then put them under AI and they all broke combat and headed back for Russia again.

 

[Jos de trol]

they implemented a "keep your friends close, but your enemies closer" rule, unfortunately the AI is taking this quite litteraly

 

[DuvelDuvel]

I don't really get this idea of AI handling military anyway.. it's a wargame, WE the players should move the armies around, not some bloody AI.

 

[unmerged(148691)]

So you want to load every day all 160 countries to move around the armies ????

 

[DuvelDuvel]

And you think watching some AI do your wars for you is fun? So after it conquered the nation you can pat it on the back and tell it 'goodjob'.

I want to be the one that felt good after a well run operation instead of feeling cheap. Works like that in other Paradox games. Just not in this one

 

[GLENN]

I don't really get this idea of AI handling military anyway.. it's a wargame, WE the players should move the armies around, not some bloody AI.

agreed, but can the orginal poster tell us what level of difficulty they were using?

 

[unmerged(56224)]

Hah, my 2 enemy AI's moved all their forces to the main front and i attacked from behind with ships...there were no units, very stupid.

 

[unmerged(11606)]

agreed, but can the orginal poster tell us what level of difficulty they were using?

It was normal difficulty, but that really shouldn't matter. I wasn't playing Italy or Germany. I was playing Mengkukou or something. The problem wasn't MY AI, it was the default AI for Germany, Italy, etc.

What *appears* to be happening is that the code is ignoring Faction when determining whether to guard against threats. I loaded up Germany on this savefile, and as Germany, GB only has 4.8 threat to us. Italy has 22 or so, second only to the Soviet Union (which it is trouncing). Basically, the Germany AI is guarding against threats within it own faction. 5 divisions staving off the British, 30+ guarding borders to our "friends", who are doing the same back to us.

Does that answer your question?

 

[DuvelDuvel]

Hmz, when I played germany with both theatre AI's running it correctly saw the difference between enemies and allies. Both the swiss and the italian borders had no armies stationed AT ALL. While the others were protected accordingly.

The dutch border was also protected, but as soon as the war broke some of those devisions moved south to help against the borders that were at full war (netherlands being neutral).
But maybe the ai for non-human nations is different.

 

[vox stellarum]

I was playing as Italian Social Republic, 1944 Götterdämmerung scenario. Allies invaded Nothern Italy and my Italian government became a Government in Exile. At the same time Germans pushed Allies back to the sea in France a.k.a. Normandy landings failed. With released divisions Germans sent some help to their forces in Northern Italy. After a couple of months they pushed back Allies a little bit and re-captured Milano and Salo(?) thanks to the German AI my government was no more in exile and I turned back to the office but Allies weren't defeated not by a long shot but German AI after liberating me decided to leave Italy (leaving so few divisions to fight against allies, and as ISR I had only a Headquartes, not even a division) and I lost so many territories again and almost became a government in exile or the second time! Suddenly German AI sent more divisions to Italy, again, and pushed Allies a little back, again. At the moment, northern Italy front is silent. Now I do not think AI is bad but she scares the hell out of me Why did you leave me at the first place and went to defend Greece?!?

 

[unmerged(81748)]

I had the same issue playing as Italy, where Germany is guarding against me. (Details in thread)
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=418026

Does anyone know how to modify the save game to make Germany not see me as a threat?

 

[radic202]

While fighting to take over Poland as Germany and not wishing to scroll due to lag on the Western Front to check, the next thing I know is that Italy has captured Paris??? And that in less time it took me to capture Warsaw?? Wow AI smarter then you think or.............not as smart as you think???

 

[unmerged(81748)]

I had the same issue playing as Italy, where Germany is guarding against me. (Details in thread)
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=418026

Does anyone know how to modify the save game to make Germany not see me as a threat?

I figured out how to set my threat with Germany to 0 as Italy, and I restarted the game and let it run for a while, saved the game and loaded Germany. Germany had not moved even with my threat at 0 and upon looking at the AI objectives, the army at Italy's northern border was actually preparing for and attack on....... Norfolk. So apparently the AI sees Northern Italy as the best place to prepare for an attack on the UK. Now what to do?

 

[unmerged(38835)]

Threat level does not consider alliances or relations, as has been said, as well as geography.
As Romania i had a "highest threat" from Japan at some time.
Not that the Soviet Union looks scary or anything.

 

[pwncake111]

While fighting to take over Poland as Germany and not wishing to scroll due to lag on the Western Front to check, the next thing I know is that Italy has captured Paris??? And that in less time it took me to capture Warsaw?? Wow AI smarter then you think or.............not as smart as you think???

ROFL
Same happend to me was playing as Germany and in mei1 1939 suddenly i got war with poland. Was kicking the shit out of them the ia defeated them in a month then got a message that england had invaded near kiel. Kicked them out (no ia but detached them) looked at france since a while and saw that the italians where near bordeaux and paris.
LOL:rofl:
and shut down the game.

plz can you fix this.

 

[cougar46]

Could the AI be wanting to move the troops through their allied terrority but for whatever reason they fail to either ask or recieve transit rights so they just sit there waiting to recieve the rights?