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Well most people forget invading the US is like invading all of Europe although Europe has multiple nations thus meaning multiple armies. But the US is one country meaning a huge land mass with just an army of one nation. Which wasn't prepared at all. Although there is something I think the game forgets but takes into account somewhat.

And that is the partisans/revolt risk. Okay it accounts for AFTER. But lets seriously suppose a country invaded the US, the amount of guns each American has I doubt it would be as easy as the game presents. Although this does go for Switzerland too. It would be quite easy to take it into account if you invade a nation with high national unity that should means pocket of resistances should popup before they invade certain areas. IE say a certain amount of your VP get taken in the mainland like if its the US, if NYC and/or Philly gets taken then pockets around those areas should form is the national unity is high at the point of invasion. And naturally take into account the partisan activity anyways.
 

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I believe it.. look at the patch notes :D I bet Johan was like "Oh bullshit, I'll show this jerk.."

US partisan modification should be +80% or something high, however, considering so many people were/are armed and would go apeshit in the US if we were invaded.
 

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Well most people forget invading the US is like invading all of Europe although Europe has multiple nations thus meaning multiple armies. But the US is one country meaning a huge land mass with just an army of one nation. Which wasn't prepared at all. Although there is something I think the game forgets but takes into account somewhat.

And that is the partisans/revolt risk. Okay it accounts for AFTER. But lets seriously suppose a country invaded the US, the amount of guns each American has I doubt it would be as easy as the game presents. Although this does go for Switzerland too. It would be quite easy to take it into account if you invade a nation with high national unity that should means pocket of resistances should popup before they invade certain areas. IE say a certain amount of your VP get taken in the mainland like if its the US, if NYC and/or Philly gets taken then pockets around those areas should form is the national unity is high at the point of invasion. And naturally take into account the partisan activity anyways.

Landing a army or three in the US probably wasn't out of the capability of the Germans (although they'd have to sacrifice the rest of the European conquests). But keeping those armies supplied, reinforced and re-stocked while the royal navy and the USN roams the North Atlantic won't be pretty.

But sure, it was quite possible to do long range landings. Look at operation Torch.
 

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Ya, but you`re talking modern times and a world super power that`s learned some hard lessons. They did allow Japans airforce to walk into their backyard at pearl harbour. A country that`s never known invasion could become lax in its watch.

Excellent point, especially since the Pacific fleet was much much stronger than the atlantic fleet. I'm ashamed to say the thought didn't even enter my mind :(

"From the naval POV USA considered the Atlantic as “2nd“ naval theater, and because of that the list of “old” ships you brought forward…"

Also excellent points (I understand it is a game), but even these older ships (All New York Class, WWI battleships)would be a threat to the german fleet. The admiral hipper class was commissioned in 30's, but the German heavies like the Bismarck were not commissioned until mid-late 1940. Even these obsolete ships would be a threat to the German Fleet. Unless I am overlooking something again.
 

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Yes, I hate how private ownership of guns are never factored into games as far how hard a country is to invade. When they asked Yamato if the Japanese Army could take over, he said, "never, there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."

Precisely what I've been thinking throughout this thread... Could be factored in through a rather large partisan response to something like this, for the USA.
 

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I don't feel it's completely bonkers with the Germans invading the US. Though during the real war they simply seemed to drive for other objectives. They were obviously not even motivated enough to risk a channel crossing as they scrubbed operation "sea lion".

Maybe this has something to do with the Nazis ideological obsession with "lebensraum" in the east. Locking up divisions on risky operations in the west (or the south) seemed to be less important than subjugating the Slavic peoples and crushing the Soviet Union.
The obsession became so great that the Nazi leadership ignored threats from other Theaters and kept grinding their armies down in the east instead.


/wild speculations
 

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I believe it.. look at the patch notes :D I bet Johan was like "Oh bullshit, I'll show this jerk.."

US partisan modification should be +80% or something high, however, considering so many people were/are armed and would go apeshit in the US if we were invaded.
Or not, because Southern Neo-Confederates would rebel and side with the Germans.
 

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I live in Arkansas, there are a lot more then 10 of them.

Plus it is a huge mistake people make by thinking all pro confederate people are racist/biggots whatever. That was just the idea the american government pounded into peoples brains to try to dehumanize their enemy. Like it or not the confederacy had a lot of legit complaints against the american govnerment at the time.

Keep in mind fellas that pro confederates are not the same as pro neo nazis. Confederates tend to be fiercely independent and self relient, they wouldnt accept anybody on their land, German, American or otherwise.
 

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I live in Arkansas, there are a lot more then 10 of them.

Plus it is a huge mistake people make by thinking all pro confederate people are racist/biggots whatever. That was just the idea the american government pounded into peoples brains to try to dehumanize their enemy. Like it or not the confederacy had a lot of legit complaints against the american govnerment at the time.

Keep in mind fellas that pro confederates are not the same as pro neo nazis. Confederates tend to be fiercely independent and self relient, they wouldnt accept anybody on their land, German, American or otherwise.
yes i agree with you. i also think these people would resist the germans more since confederate types are feircley independent....The Civil War
 

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Aye, the RN should be all over him. However there have been reports of a player played UK invading and destroying Germany in the demo, and of course the reports of Germany invading UK in the demo.. I don't remember the difficulty settings these were on, but I'd figure it should be next to impossible to do this in either case, this would display on full that the game has serious exploits open and is too simple for the people that are damn good. It appears the patch will have the AI go after convoys more if I'm not mistaken, I hope this game isn't just a push over.
 

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Plus it is a huge mistake people make by thinking all pro confederate people are racist/biggots whatever. That was just the idea the american government pounded into peoples brains to try to dehumanize their enemy.


So all this time it has been because of propaganda that I believed the institutionalized enslavement of human beings based on the color of their skin was racist. Damn it Lincoln, you tricked me again!

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