Anyone else invaded USA in the Demo?

[Cyrai]

Here's the question I want to know: were you actually in a position to conquer America, or did you just manage to land troops there and run through the country before you were slaughtered? I could see it being vaguely feasible that Germany could make it all the way over there, but there's no chance in my mind that they would have the resources to be able to occupy and puppet America at the same time they're able to successfully defend the German borders. Sure you can make it to America, but can you survive another six months after doing that?

 

[unmerged(148321)]

Nah I landed roughly the entire OKW. 69 units but god knows how many brigades that is. Anyone knows a good way to check this without counting manually?

I would try to do it via Brigades tab in Statistics Menu. But every brigades' theatre is shown as 'None'. Is it WAD?

 

[Alex_brunius]

Here's the question I want to know: were you actually in a position to conquer America, or did you just manage to land troops there and run through the country before you were slaughtered?

They currently have 1 INF division and 2 HQs facing me on the border. As well as 4 encircled INF divisions at various places.

Against my roughly 40 combat divisions.

As you can see from the first screenshot they were 66% on the way to surrender, so I'm guessing they would be finished before February If I could continue the Game.

Currently the Canadians are giving me a harder time with 4 Infantry divisions putting up a heroic fight around Ottawa. They even beat my 10:th Panzer div back with heavy casualties after 2 weeks of combat.

 

[unmerged(110529)]

Wow.. considering im still having trouble with Poland :wacko:

I feel just like you, hate this posts where I figure out how I suck in strategy games


Anyway, I'm just happier believing that he cheated... That can't be possible!

 

[Socratatus]

Musta been a shock for the US then. Germany rules the world...:wacko:

 

[Cyrai]

They currently have 1 INF division and 2 HQs facing me on the border. As well as 4 encircled INF divisions at various places.

Against my roughly 40 combat divisions.

As you can see from the first screenshot they were 66% on the way to surrender, so I'm guessing they would be finished before February If I could continue the Game.

Currently the Canadians are giving me a harder time with 4 Infantry divisions putting up a heroic fight around Ottawa. They even beat my 10:th Panzer div back with heavy casualties after 2 weeks of combat.

Yes, I understand that, but what about the Fatherland? I can't imagine that France and the UK were just chilling behind the Maginot Line and the Channel

 

[unmerged(11606)]

This isn't just ahistorical, it's ludicrous. Seriously... what was the British Navy doing? What was France doing?

 

[Alex_brunius]

Yes, I understand that, but what about the Fatherland? I can't imagine that France and the UK were just chilling behind the Maginot Line and the Channel

Since France is out of the way (Just barely had time to do this while waiting for the TPs to finish building) I can use the OB West units to defend from UK. Have only had a few minor landing attempts at Kiel, Cherbourg and Netherlands that were beaten back. Might be some that I missed too since I put it on full AI to focus on the fun stuff.

 

[Invader_Canuck]

This isn't just ahistorical, it's ludicrous. Seriously... what was the British Navy doing? What was France doing?

Conquering the USA as Canada in 1936 was pretty easy in HOI1 and HOI2.

 

[unmerged(148878)]

ehh... how did you cheat to get to the USA as its way out of range.

yes this is what i thought, this is a cheat or picture edit, and hopefully not a problem with the game

 

[Invader_Canuck]

The point is, abstractions in the game allow for ahistorical things to happen, especially when combined with the players omnipresent/omniscient understanding/knowledge of what actually happened in WW2, when nations were weak, when they were strong.

The fact that you could conquer the USA as Canada, Mexico, I believe people did it with Cuba among others, is just as ludicrous is not more so. The issue isn't so much with the game, the issue is knowing the relative strength of the USA, and taking advantage of a situation nobody in real life would EVER attempt.

I think the biggest issue here may be with national unity, forcing the USA to surrender when they are FAR from being out of the fight. When you conquer the USA as Canada in HOI2, speed is of the essence, you need to capture vital IC and resource provinces quickly or you quickly find yourself bogged down in so many divisions you're cooked.

In this case, Germany SHOULD be defeated, but National Unity will probably force the USA to surrender before it can finish building that first round of 50 to 60 divisions.

 

[unmerged(11606)]

Conquering the USA as Canada in 1936 was pretty easy in HOI1 and HOI2.

No, I mean from a reality standpoint, it's ludicrous. And crazy that France and GB just stood around and watched. I don't deny it's possible within the framework of the game, but it *shouldn't* be.

 

[unmerged(101225)]

Oh man. Hendriks has a lot of good ideas.


USA\UK\France should be able to sink all of Germany's convoys in like 2 days, shouldn't be possible.

 

[Nikolai]

yes this is what i thought, this is a cheat or picture edit, and hopefully not a problem with the game

He said he used a redeploy exploit.

 

[Oerdin]

The fact that this is even possible in 1939, with just 4 months to do it, is really making me question the readiness of HOI3 for release. I sincerely hope they fix the AI, and soon.

Quoted for truth. This is a massive imbalance in the game.

 

[Oerdin]

Well, in 1939 the armed forces of the US were not exactly something to brag about.
Still this shouldn't be happening.

The Army wasn't large but the Navy was arguably the largest in the world while the Army Air Corp was also fairly sizable.

 

[Jmland]

I'm sorry, but I can't believe it was done without "god like intervention" (mod or cheat code). Just considering the provinces taken in the US, even without any opposition, the speed of any conceivable set of units does not allow for that much territory to be taken. It takes about 2 weeks for troops to march from Poland to the French border, over 100% infrastructure friendly controlled provences. I can't see how that speed can be exceeded in the southern US, which is far below 100%. Something don't smell right.

 

[Oerdin]

Again, this comes back to the amphibious landing issues already raised in other threads

1) Germany should not be able to undertake large-scale amphibious operations in 1939 -- I believe increases to the tech tree are necessary, to simply make operations of this magnitude impossible without a tech investment.. Even the small 1940 operations in Norway stretched th Kriegsmarine to the limit.
2) 30 Days supplies after landing are too much. I believe Germany doesn't have the necessary convoys to supply such a force, so this would be decisive.


Also, Partisans should be a crippling issue if you're just blitzing through and leaving huge swathes of territory totally unoccupied. I never though this was modelled properly in HoI2, and hoped the logistics system would help. Maybe tweaking is in order.

I agree with this completely. The Kriegsmarine was stretched to the limit in Norway and British intervention caused them months of headaches plus there was massive trouble with supply ships as the Royal Navy and Air Force sunk loads of transports even on the short trip from Germany or Denmark to Norway. Imagine if they had to go all the way to North America with both the US and British Navies hounding them.

The tech tree does need to be revised to make amphib landings harder to begin with but easier with newer techs.

 

[Panchito]

its the 1939 OOB and the USA lacks an army in 1939.

And yet had a navy that could argue for the top spot.

 

[unmerged(38835)]

We need short range invasions vs. long range troop transportations it seems.