Anyone also misses the mini-campaign from HOI3?

[him_15]

I honestly miss them so much, it was one of my favourite feature of the game back then, even more so than the main campaign. Sometimes I just wanna relax and play a single specific campaign without bothering with all the production, economy, research and diplomacy, etc. And playing certain campaign also enrich my history knowledge, I also loved to wiki that campaign to have more in-depth knowledge before or after playing it.
Too bad they are not included in HOI4.

 

[Volodio]

I personally don't miss it. WW2 is one of the historical eras the most done in video games, so it's pretty easy to find a game which concentrates only on the military aspect of a campaign, and sometimes with more details than HoI3.

 

[Vlad123]

same in hoi2 i miss a lot

 

[DukofDeth]

I don't recall a mini-campaign. I do recall being able to let the AI manage all the diplomatic, economic, research and production affairs, as well as intelligence. Then, most of my HoI 3 experience was trying to nurse my obsolete rig along. I managed to kill it with the Black Ice mod [not the mod's fault - never kill power while the HD is still spinning].

 

[Riekopo]

Yes i miss it. But modern Paradox has shown they don't properly support multiple startdates etc.

 

[Vlad123]

Yes i miss it. But modern Paradox has shown they don't properly support multiple startdates etc.

why the series advance and less thing they offer?

 

[Crispin]

Yeah I really do, also all the different start dates. Nowadays I usually just want to jump into the fray and try to change history, and or play the underdog in a particular scenario. That's the real enjoyment I get from hoi games after playing 1936 quite a few times. Luckily there are one or two mods giving me a different start dates.

 

[mursolini]

No. Game is too balanced around a-histrorical stuff being preferable, historical scenarios will not fare well.

 

[Rashie]

Yes i miss it. But modern Paradox has shown they don't properly support multiple startdates etc.

Most people just don't play later start dates in paradox games where they have them available.

Paradox focusing on a single one just caters to the way the vast majority of their users plays their games. It sucks for the minority that do, but they have their reasons for not bothering.

 

[Crispin]

It's understandable but it also kinda sucks for some oif the old guard who bought and played the franchise from the start. Just reality.

 

[Vlad123]

Yeah I really do, also all the different start dates. Nowadays I usually just want to jump into the fray and try to change history, and or play the underdog in a particular scenario. That's the real enjoyment I get from hoi games after playing 1936 quite a few times. Luckily there are one or two mods giving me a different start dates.

No, i say not only start dates, but features: the "pace conference" of hoi2 are fantastic! The only thing can paradox have fixed are the espionage(good or bad have do it, but need improved the n of spies) and puppet feature from hoi2/hoi3, the other thing (pace conference, supply system...) in hoi2 are PERFECT! I have played hoi2 and hoi3 and the IA are harder, the supply system(in 2) are deeper, the war not are until last man!

 

[Alpha2518]

I don't recall a mini-campaign. I do recall being able to let the AI manage all the diplomatic, economic, research and production affairs, as well as intelligence. Then, most of my HoI 3 experience was trying to nurse my obsolete rig along. I managed to kill it with the Black Ice mod [not the mod's fault - never kill power while the HD is still spinning].

He's talking about the Scenarios. Like the North Africa Scenario, Winter War, Battle of the Bulge, etc.

 

[Ketchup & friends]

We have proposed bringing them back. Apparently it won’t happen because it would be too much work for the devs.

it would still take a lot of effort, especially in the long run. You’d have to fix and balance it after every update, make sure the AI is playing within a reasonably historical frame, which takes away time from polishing the main game.

Creating the scenario also takes a lot of time to ensure it works, is balanced but still historical, that the AI works, nothing is broken and research for e.g creating the OOB. To name a few.

 

[DukofDeth]

He's talking about the Scenarios. Like the North Africa Scenario, Winter War, Battle of the Bulge, etc.

Thanks. I had a feeling. That I do recall. Never tried them, but back then I was working off a dinosaur.

 

[Anaraxes]

So make a mod for your favorite start date. (It's so easy, right? Must be lazy, blinds devs... which explains why no one else has done it, even though the alt-history modders do things as elaborate as Kaiserreich.)

The devs can then focus on things only devs can do to core mechanics and the engine, rather than researching OOBs and cranking out different sets of data files.

For a campaign of limited scope, rather than leave the rest of the map up to AI management that might interfere with your recreation (in both senses), might be better just to hack the map to wall off the campaign area as impassable terrain, then chop out all the home country resources and MIL not devoted to the particular campaign you want to focus on.

 

[Ketchup & friends]

So make a mod for your favorite start date.

For a campaign of limited scope, rather than leave the rest of the map up to AI management that might interfere with your recreation (in both senses), might be better just to hack the map to wall off the campaign area as impassable terrain, then chop out all the home country resources and MIL not devoted to the particular campaign you want to focus on.

The devs should at least make making such mods easier, provide modding tools for cropped maps.

 

[Vlad123]

The devs should at least make making such mods easier, provide modding tools for cropped maps.

very true! Devs also let the community create modding tools (see hoi4moddingtool website), there are incomplete after years...

 

[safe-keeper]

why the series advance and less thing they offer?

They were a lot of effort to keep balanced, and players mostly didn't care about them anyway. Most players start at the earliest start date, with default settings.

 

[safe-keeper]

Towards the end of HoI4's development cycle, it would actually be nice if they released some scenarios. They wouldn't be too much work to keep updated if there weren't too many updates coming.

 

[pheonicia]

The devs should at least make making such mods easier, provide modding tools for cropped maps.

People already make cool and weird maps in hoi4 all the time, for example equestria at war, fallout: old world blues, all the what if x country in y place mods, so I'm not sure what you're asking for when you want it to be easier.