Anyoe ever seen Hrolfr de Normandy do anything? (latest patch)

[Reezy]

Now that Rollo has better stats and starts as a norse pagan in Trondenlag (sp), has anyone ever actually seen him do anything? I've watched him for several observer games and he just happily sits there as marshall until the day he dies.

I'm trying to work out a strategy to have him take over Normandy, but it seems like a pipe dream at this point. He will never become a landless adventurer on his own (and even if he did he probably isn't programmed to go after Normandy). And as the count of Trondenlag I can't prepare an invasion of Normandy for him. Just Frisia or Brittany, despite the fact that Normandy is just as big as those realms.

Anyone have any ideas? Right now i'm thinking i should conquer Mortain then invade Brittany and Frisia, to give me a base. Then just bide my time until France fractures and hope I can grab Normandy in bits and pieces. Or maybe I should swear fealty first, conquering it from the inside. But the rule i'm setting for myself is no conquesting outside of Northern Francia and Frisia until i'm poised to move on England. Or maybe I should just take Wessex first and move south from there? But my worry with that is that any Norse vassals in Southern England won't become Norman, and thus never English. I want to make sure my realm is acceptably Norman before trying to push on The Isles.

Should I stay Norse Pagan for the prepared invasions? Convert for the invasion CBs from the Pope? Reforming Norse won't be an option for me until I have Brittania completely controlled (unless I manage to inherit the holy sites). But man, becoming The Fylkyr will be really nice and help me with my world conquest a ton.

Yeah, this isn't a typical global conquest game. I want to try and make the world English under the de Normandie banner, but you can't make English without Normans. > And I don't want to make the game a snoozefest by just using the 1066 start either.

P.S. No mods. I'm trying to do this vanilla style.

 

[Beowulf1066]

This is how I did it-

Play a game as the Norse guy in Nantes and go after the Duchy/Petty Kingdom of Brittany. When you can, try to invite Hrolfr (Rollo) to your court. Once you conquer Brittany, grant Rollo your Norman county (Mortain or something like that). From there it's up to you to decide how you want to take over the rest of Normandy. I did it by loading a game and playing it as the independent count of Mortain and doing a prepared invasion on the rest of Normandy.

You'll lose a few times, so be prepared to reload that initial saved game a few times. The trick is to move in when the Karlings are at each other's throats and are preoccupied with one another as you take a few counties for yourself.

 

[CurtisManning]

He should have a claim.

 

[BurningEGO]

In my latest game as Alania, he launched an invasion of Taurica, got owned and then banished. I appreciated the 500 free coins of money.

 

[Ols]

He should probably be lowborn or be of a different dynasty and get his dynasty name when he picks somewhere to invade. Having a de Normandie Viking who never goes for Normandy is bizzare.

 

[Reezy]

I did it by loading a game and playing it as the independent count of Mortain and doing a prepared invasion on the rest of Normandy.

Thanks for the advice! This Is the one part I don't understand though. How Do YOu prepare an Invasion of Normandy? I Can only prepare an Invasion for Frisia or Aquitaine

 

[Ols]

Thanks for the advice! This Is the one part I don't understand though. How Do YOu prepare an Invasion of Normandy? I Can only prepare an Invasion for Frisia or Aquitaine

Wait until France is in a civil war, and you can declare it if they have few enough holdings. If you wait for the war to end before enforcing, you get it all.

 

[robbx213]

Now that Rollo has better stats and starts as a norse pagan in Trondenlag (sp), has anyone ever actually seen him do anything? I've watched him for several observer games and he just happily sits there as marshall until the day he dies.

I'm trying to work out a strategy to have him take over Normandy, but it seems like a pipe dream at this point...

Hrolfr is a courtier (usually Marshall) of Trondelag (aka Nidaros) in ToG 867 start. irl Hrolfr (Rollo) heads the bloodline of William the Conquerer, his great great (more greats) grandson.

From what I read recently while I was researching this idea (great minds think alike), MTTH for adventuring starts at 50 years, so basically it's not very likely. I did figure out a way to use the console and give him a claim (claim c_arques 242). Rouen is "arques" in the province list. But the Duke and Count there are not independent from King Charles - one of many requirements for firing the adventurer event. To me, it's almost as gamey as simply doing (give_title c_arques 242). And you can't do that in Ironman either.

My suggestion (what I might try for my first ever YouTube LP): Start the game as Harald Fairhair of Ostlandet (in Akershus), gift Hrolfr and invite him to court, then conquest Rouen to eventually grant him that title. Harald has enough troops to pull it off very quickly if France loses levies fighting neighbors / raiders / rebels / etc., or in a decade or two if you expand by subjugating Norway / Sweden (particularly via a "King of Norway" ambition). Waiting until the historical ~911 seems too long for me.

I suggest raiding with Hrolfr beforehand, or granting him land / honorary titles for prestige - he'll need 1000 prestige to convert religions, which is probably necessary to avoid having the title revoked as an infidel. I'm also going to marry him and hope he has kids so the "de Normandie" dynasty continues in case I lose him in battle. I have to play Ironman to force myself not to savescum / restart constantly, and Harald becoming incapable from a bloody tolchok to the head a week into my play made me realize how important it is to give Hrolfr a wife (and designate a good regent).

Oh, for a clever name I just thought of "Rouen 911". Yes, like Reno 911. Much more politically correct than something I was thinking of related to 9/11. The requirement is that you get de Normandie the title before 911. And convert to Christian. Maybe even establish Norman culture, but not sure how long it takes to create Norman culture (CK2 wiki: "Norman is formed if a Norse ruler owns a French, Occitan or Breton province").

 

[Zsrai]

Really? A necro from July, 2013?

 

[Had a dad]

closed - necro