Anybody else missing the Embassy?

[Siegfriedfr]

It's good, because if you take back the diplomat, the diplomatic idea group is pretty much useless compared to influence.

King rank gives +1 diplomat in 1.13.

Another incentive to grow wide instead of tall, because its faster and cheaper to expand than develop.

 

[Frederick_Will]

Will unique buildings ever return?(even if not all of them) It is nice we are getting that diplomat back.

 

[Koivin]

Are mostly rank 2, and thus get a diplomat.

Ah people without CS get ranks anyways, but can't change them? Cool, thanks anyway.

 

[Christopholes]

I feel that these buffs will really make the rank system stand out more for me, as unless you are a tribe/khanate the main difference is diplo vassals and autonomy. So... good job PI.

 

[Zelius]

Ah people without CS get ranks anyways, but can't change them? Cool, thanks anyway.

Pretty sure everyone becomes a Kingdom unless they are a subject. You know, like previously.

 

[chrnno]

Pretty sure everyone becomes a Kingdom unless they are a subject. You know, like previously.

Unless it has been or will be changed I recall seeing plenty of duchies around and I don't have CS.

 

[grommile]

Unless it has been or will be changed I recall seeing plenty of duchies around and I don't have CS.

I don't have CS either. The only Duchies I've noticed are vassals. (Conceivably I was paying an insufficient amount of attention somewhere.)

 

[Gringovoir]

This might have been discussed before but will the emperor never receive kingdom or empire status regardless of total development and reforms?

 

[balmung60]

Ah people without CS get ranks anyways, but can't change them? Cool, thanks anyway.

Not entirely true. They can't manually increase ranks, but subjects and non-elector HRE members still get kicked down to duke-level, while various nation formations can increase rank to kingdom (like 85% of formations) or empire (restore BYZ, unite HRE, form Mughals, form Qing, form Inca, form Germany, form Russia, form Bharat, form Hindustan, plus the Ottomans get a decision to boost their rank to empire after taking Kostantiniyye and Persia getting and event to do the same if the control the Persian region and are Shia)

 

[balmung60]

This might have been discussed before but will the emperor never receive kingdom or empire status regardless of total development and reforms?

The HREmperor can be a kingdom if they're also an elector (electors are the only HRE members allowed to be kings) and get empire status for passing Renovatio Imperii and uniting the HRE into a nation-state.

 

[chrnno]

I don't have CS either. The only Duchies I've noticed are vassals. (Conceivably I was paying an insufficient amount of attention somewhere.)

I would have to check to make sure(I believe one of the independent daimyos was really a duchy) but I think I was just being stupid, didn't really look at the icon much so was thinking of the diplo-vassal bonus except I was playing Ming so as Empire I would have the bonus for Kingdoms.

 

[Gringovoir]

The HREmperor can be a kingdom if they're also an elector (electors are the only HRE members allowed to be kings) and get empire status for passing Renovatio Imperii and uniting the HRE into a nation-state.

That's a bummer I was planning on diplo annexing all hre vassals and not passing the last reform...

 

[balmung60]

Well, I guess you could still do it as a non-member HREmperor. If, for example, France is the Emperor, I don't think they get booted down to duke unless they actually add themselves to the HRE.

 

[tobias.mb]

King rank gives +1 diplomat in 1.13.

I actually don't like this. Removing the extra diplomat and free leaders from unique buildings made aristocratic ideas a LOT better. Now we have a reason to pick something else than offensive + defensive + quality.

 

[Gringovoir]

Well, I guess you could still do it as a non-member HREmperor. If, for example, France is the Emperor, I don't think they get booted down to duke unless they actually add themselves to the HRE.

Yep, added myself to the HRE as France. Get demoted to duchy level. )

 

[bbqftw]

It's good, because if you take back the diplomat, the diplomatic idea group is pretty much useless compared to influence.

In what universe is 2/3rds an imperialism accessible in 1460 "useless"?

Is this the same universe in which people think the 20% AE reduction in influence is actually relevant this patch?

 

[Guardian54]

The failure to have the +1 diplomat and +1 leader active for Empires in 1.12 is why I don't play Ironman to try for a Ming WC yet.

Here's hoping 1.13 is SOON (TM).

 

[chrnno]

Pretty sure everyone becomes a Kingdom unless they are a subject. You know, like previously.

I don't have CS either. The only Duchies I've noticed are vassals. (Conceivably I was paying an insufficient amount of attention somewhere.)

I would have to check to make sure(I believe one of the independent daimyos was really a duchy) but I think I was just being stupid, didn't really look at the icon much so was thinking of the diplo-vassal bonus except I was playing Ming so as Empire I would have the bonus for Kingdoms.

Ok so I am not completely crazy while I indeed got confused by being Empire so mainly only subjects are duchies Hosokawa as an independent Daimyo is one too so assuming this is WAD I presume everyone else who is hardcorded to be Duchy(HRE non-elector, native council, religious orders and so on) are also one in base game.

That said why an Empire can't have Kingdoms as subjects?

 

[balmung60]

Ok so I am not completely crazy while I indeed got confused by being Empire so mainly only subjects are duchies Hosokawa as an independent Daimyo is one too so assuming this is WAD I presume everyone else who is hardcorded to be Duchy(HRE non-elector, native council, religious orders and so on) are also one in base game.

That said why an Empire can't have Kingdoms as subjects?

Daimyos are always dukes like Monastic Orders and Native Councils.

It's not hard coded (people really over use this term - things that are hard coded cannot be modded), it's just that these governments, quite deliberately, do not have any higher rank scripted.

However, the no kingdom subjects thing is, I believe, hard coded such that all subjects are at the lowest possible rank for their government type.

 

[Castrolol]

Not really a fan of having title ranks unlock progressively more bonuses.

For one there are those nations that are locked at certain ranks, those that start lower than their neighbours and finally those babby nations that start with free empires.
It just seems to be encouraging snowballing which EU4 already has a major issue with.

Personally I would just keep ranks having very slight modifiers and bring back unique buildings. I don't understand why the new building system had to remove them.