Any way to shut down reformation centers with actual cb?

[Xetfield]

In my last game, I unified HRE as Austria around 1586. Could make this about 10-15 years earlier without 6th and 7th general reforms - but that's more of a noob trap. Anyway, I used to no-cb all nations that gone protestant/reformed, and most of them were free cities, which also drain my relations with HRE princes. Is there any way to actually get a cb on those you can't reach directly like Ditchmarchen?

 

[Piotrzeci]

As far as I know there isn't, that's why it's good to spend early years as Austria conquering single provinces around the Empire (with wars after Demanding Unlawful Territory for example), so when the Reformation starts you are only a couple of Conquest CBs away from a centre.

 

[dynalon]

Two things that may help:

You can core any province in the HRE, even if it's not adjacent to your lands. Use this (combined with making secondary war participents co-belligerents) to get a border with as many HRE tags as possible before the Reformation hits, so that you can get a claim or Religious CB.

Also, enforcing religion will always flip religion in the target's capital immediately, so if a center of reformation spawns in any capital, you can remove them this way to avoid aggressive expansion and lowered authority growth. And as long as the target is lower than 50%, you can do this without setting them as co-belligerent, too.

edit: I might have misread your question, so the second point may be something that you already knew. Sorry 'bout that.

 

[JaxElite]

Use the age ability gor claims bordering claims from the age of discovery. Make sure that you can attack any nation between 50% and 100% warscore directly and everyone smaller indirectly. That way you can usually stop the reformation before it spreads. Especially when it spawn in a capital.
Just be careful that when you killed off the original protestant center and noone is protestant anymore you need to check the religious map repeatedly. Provinces may flip to protestant via event and create new centers.

Also reformed will still spawn, even when no protestants exist, just repeat the process.

EDIT: Cobellingerents obviously count as directly attackable

 

[RichardOlcese]

But that ability i

Use the age ability gor claims bordering claims from the age of discovery. Make sure that you can attack any nation between 50% and 100% warscore directly and everyone smaller indirectly. That way you can usually stop the reformation before it spreads. Especially when it spawn in a capital.
Just be careful that when you killed off the original protestant center and noone is protestant anymore you need to check the religious map repeatedly. Provinces may flip to protestant via event and create new centers.

Also reformed will still spawn, even when no protestants exist, just repeat the process.

But that ability is from the Age of Absolutism, which would be already too late to solve OP's problem.

 

[JaxElite]

But that ability i

But that ability is from the Age of Absolutism, which would be already too late to solve OP's problem.

You are confusing the unrestiricted conquest ability with this. Being able to claim provincea adjacent to claims is a part of the age of discovery ability "transfer subject"

 

[Xetfield]

I also have a question for the achievement "Voltaire's Nightmare": I've noticed that nations added to HRE after revoking are not your vassals. However, will this work if you can took vassals out of yourself/take province from of the vassal and realise a new one with existing core? Will such vassals also be counted as a part of a swarm, not having diplo relation and desire for independence?

 

[Titanius Puffin]

I suppose you already know that taking diplomatic ideas first is useful because of the decreased stab hit?
Other than that, I've got nothing.

 

[Cancerofthehead]

The other advice is, remember that they don’t need to be the war target so check alliance chains for a way to attack using someone else (and maybe a cobelligerent)

 

[holyvigil]

You are confusing the unrestiricted conquest ability with this. Being able to claim provincea adjacent to claims is a part of the age of discovery ability "transfer subject"

But that ability i

But that ability is from the Age of Absolutism, which would be already too late to solve OP's problem.

It is actually from the age of revolutions.

 

[JaxElite]

It is actually from the age of revolutions.

While this is right regarding the unlimited conquest ability, the actual ability in question is still age of discovery and therefore available

 

[Xetfield]

The other advice is, remember that they don’t need to be the war target so check alliance chains for a way to attack using someone else (and maybe a cobelligerent)

Wow, that’s neat. Thanks a lot!