It's 1942 and I have no rubber, my MILs are not replacing my Sturmoviks shot down by the German AA and I can't even afford to build Katyushas for my RP. I spend half a year doing "control trade" mission on Siam and get a pitiful 12 rubber for 2 civ factories. Historically the USSR produced 110,000 aircraft (and received another 15,000 through lendlease), I can't produce even close to these numbers because of rubber shortage.
Any way to get rubber as the Soviets (besides invading Malaya)?
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Any particular reason why you are not trading with British Malaya or Dutch East Indies?
I mean, you could always build synthetic refineries if absolutely necessary (what Germany usually does). But, like others have said, in a historical situation, probably makes more sense to just buy from the Western Allies (or Co-Prosperity Sphere if Allies lost all their rubber).
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Malaya and Dutch East Indies were conquered by Japan. I can't trade with Japan for some reason.
Probably because they are in closed economy. In that case you‘ll have to build refineries.
The game's modelling of some things is suspect IMO. Rubber specifically is a cause for concern of mine.
In the Soviet Union, production of polybutadiene by using Lebedev’s process was begun in 1932–33, using potatoes and limestone as raw materials. By 1940 the Soviet Union had the largest synthetic rubber industry in the world, producing more than 50,000 tons per year. In Germany, meanwhile, the first synthetic elastomer that could be used to replace natural rubber and make satisfactory tires was developed at I.G. Farben by Walter Bock and Eduard Tschunkur, who synthesized a rubbery copolymer of styrene and butadiene in 1929, using an emulsion process. The Germans referred to this rubber as Buna S; the British called it SBR, or styrene-butadiene rubber. Because styrene and butadiene can be made from petroleum, grain alcohol, or coal, SBR was in great demand during World War II. Immense amounts were made—as much as 100,000 tons per year in Germany and the Soviet Union. About 800,000 tons of SBR were produced per year in the United States, where it received the wartime designation GR-S (government rubber-styrene). During the war German chemical engineers perfected low-temperature, or “cold,” polymerization of SBR, producing a more uniform product.
I'm not trying to suggest that rubber wasn't in relatively short supply what I'm suggesting is perhaps the game hasn't modeled realistic output and historically accurate representations of existing industries, or, the difficulty involved with developing these industries as Italy also had developed synthetic rubber plants prior to WW2.
rubber - The rise of synthetic rubber
The origins of the elastomers forming the base of synthetic rubber can be traced to the first half of the 19th century, when attempts were made to elucidate the composition and structure of natural rubber with the eventual goal of reproducing the material. In 1838 the German F.C. Himly obtained...
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In the Soviet Union, production of polybutadiene by using Lebedev’s process was begun in 1932–33, using potatoes and limestone as raw materials. By 1940 the Soviet Union had the largest synthetic rubber industry in the world, producing more than 50,000 tons per year. In Germany, meanwhile, the first synthetic elastomer that could be used to replace natural rubber and make satisfactory tires was developed at I.G. Farben by Walter Bock and Eduard Tschunkur, who synthesized a rubbery copolymer of styrene and butadiene in 1929, using an emulsion process. The Germans referred to this rubber as Buna S; the British called it SBR, or styrene-butadiene rubber. Because styrene and butadiene can be made from petroleum, grain alcohol, or coal, SBR was in great demand during World War II. Immense amounts were made—as much as 100,000 tons per year in Germany and the Soviet Union. About 800,000 tons of SBR were produced per year in the United States, where it received the wartime designation GR-S (government rubber-styrene). During the war German chemical engineers perfected low-temperature, or “cold,” polymerization of SBR, producing a more uniform product.
I'm not trying to suggest that rubber wasn't in relatively short supply what I'm suggesting is perhaps the game hasn't modeled realistic output and historically accurate representations of existing industries, or, the difficulty involved with developing these industries as Italy also had developed synthetic rubber plants prior to WW2.
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May also be trade relations getting too low. Sufficiently bad diplomatic relationship can do that. What does it say when you hover over them in the trade menu?
Indeed, I'm surprised that a certain focus is so underwhelming...
It would be much more enticing if it increased rubber output of synthetic refineries by 1. No need to make it as powerful as Germany's +2, but it's just another reason why it's not really worth it eating the +5% CG from starting the third FYP.
It would be much more enticing if it increased rubber output of synthetic refineries by 1. No need to make it as powerful as Germany's +2, but it's just another reason why it's not really worth it eating the +5% CG from starting the third FYP.
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I have done a couple of synthetic rubber researches and have three synth refineries. Importing 16 from the Allies and producing 15 domestically.