Any way to get rid of historical rival/friend modifier?

[delpiero1234]

If I have been friends with a historical rival then in my opinion the historical rival modifier should be gone. Furthermore, If I keep going to war with a historical friend then that modifier needs to go away, too.
Ottomans beating down Crimea should be enough reason to get rid of historical friend modifier. If I vassalize the Mamluks as the Ottomans and have improved relations with them for many years then the historical rival modifier should disappear, too.

Thoughts?

Edit: I did not mean to post this in the bug forum. Please move the thread. Thanks

 

[delpiero1234]

Does nobody know if there is a way to get rid of these two modifiers?

 

[Xaioxaiofan]

They are specified in the history files.
Either make a mod or backup your history folder and change these.

...\Europa Universalis IV\history\countries\TAG-CountryName.txt

government = feudal_monarchy
#aristocracy_plutocracy = -2
#centralization_decentralization = 0
#innovative_narrowminded = 2
mercantilism = 0.1
#offensive_defensive = 2
#land_naval = 0
#quality_quantity = -1
#serfdom_freesubjects = 1
primary_culture = castillian
add_accepted_culture = andalucian
religion = catholic
technology_group = western
[COLOR="#FF8C00"]historical_friend = POR
historical_rival = GRA[/COLOR]
#historical_friend = ARA
capital = 219 # Toledo

 

[delpiero1234]

Thanks but I think the game should get some mechanic to get rid of the modifier in game. Because if Spain keeps declaring war on Portugal then they should not have the historical friends modifier..

 

[knoddy]

Thanks but I think the game should get some mechanic to get rid of the modifier in game. Because if Spain keeps declaring war on Portugal then they should not have the historical friends modifier..

kinda have to agree with this point. In my Granada game, because they cant beat on me any longer, Spain is constantly waring both aragon and portugal. But after the war is over the always re ally portugal, its a bit silly TBH

 

[delpiero1234]

kinda have to agree with this point. In my Granada game, because they cant beat on me any longer, Spain is constantly waring both aragon and portugal. But after the war is over the always re ally portugal, its a bit silly TBH

Yea this is the situation I'm talking about. Or another example would be the Ottomans declaring war on Crimea.
But if two historical rivals (like Ottomans and Mamelukes) have been allies for many years (maybe 5 or 10?) then the historical rival should disappear, too.

 

[aitaituo]

5-10 years is not a long time.

 

[delpiero1234]

5-10 years is not a long time.

Ok make it 25 or 50. Paradox can come up with the right number of years. But I doubt they'll change this anyways.. But it would be nice if they do

 

[Miganto]

(Thread ressurection but better than starting a new thread about the same thing?)

I, Poland, currently have TOrder as a vassal and have the historic enemy modifier - I think it would make sense that if after a set period of peace, or amount of wars, the friend/enemy modifiers slowly remove - if I have been an ally with a historic enemy for 50 years, I think that kind of negates being historically an enemy

 

[Aleci]

If the modifiers disapear, could the revers not also be true. By being allied to a country for 50-100 years you would get the historical friend modifier.
In my game I am trying to vasselize Livornian order as Prussia, but I was Teutonic order. I know that the Teutonic order and Livornian order starts as historical friends, but I have lost that effect.
What I do not know is when this effect was lost, but my guess is when I became Prussia. I feel if this be the case, the historical friends should still be there.
Why should a modifier dissapear just because there is a change of name.
Right now because I dont have that modifier I cant vassalize them though I have been allies with them from the start of the game.
The reason for this is that I am reformed and they are still catholic and they have a cassius belli on me so I can not get the relationship high enough as I cannot marry with them because of their goverment form.

 

[Schmoekoeksklok]

If the modifiers disapear, could the revers not also be true. By being allied to a country for 50-100 years you would get the historical friend modifier.
In my game I am trying to vasselize Livornian order as Prussia, but I was Teutonic order. I know that the Teutonic order and Livornian order starts as historical friends, but I have lost that effect.
What I do not know is when this effect was lost, but my guess is when I became Prussia. I feel if this be the case, the historical friends should still be there.
Why should a modifier dissapear just because there is a change of name.
Right now because I dont have that modifier I cant vassalize them though I have been allies with them from the start of the game.
The reason for this is that I am reformed and they are still catholic and they have a cassius belli on me so I can not get the relationship high enough as I cannot marry with them because of their goverment form.

While I agree in spirit to this whole argument, the reason the Livonian and Teutonic Order are historical friends is because they are two catholic theocracies trying to uphold the old ways. You gave up both your religion and your government to become Prussia, so it's a bit more than "a change in name".

 

[PiriReis]

It should fade away as alliances shift and the balance of power changes.