Any way to Defeat the British Navy?

[Trevok]

Hi. Usually in a multiplayer game, a competent England would tend to snipe the islands away from Portugal and scramble for Africa, and if not, comes back later with their HUGE heavy fleet to knock me out. We usually go the same naval ideas and maritime ideas but they always have the upper hand. What is the best way to defeat them? And if that isnt possible, what ratio of his heavies versus my heavies would be beneficial to beat him?

 

[BlazeKnight_]

You can't.

Except by maybe outnumbering them severely. You'd need to cycle many more ship stacks than them & try to cut their reinforcements off, if possible (I'm assuming you're not playing on 1.31's vanilla balance, because it is god awful). The other thing you can try to do is go full naval build, but that doesn't work at all if they also do.

Key ideas: Maritime, Naval, Quality (no brainers); Exploration (20% Width policy), Religious (another 10% Morale with Maritime)

 

[Jarvin]

It's not even balance
Naval warfare in 1.31 is simply broken. Full stop. It has been this way since they attempted to overhaul it in 1.30(and only made it worse; disengagement chance says hi) and then the 1.31 rebalance likewise only broke things further.




I really, really wish that they'd return to navies in some future patch, because I can't even recall the last patch navies were 'playable'.

 

[Riukus]

I give you huge hint. In 1.31 galleys annihilate heavies. You need only two heavies in your fleet (one as flagman). Work even in open seas! Go and kill that filthy brits before they know that too!

 

[Trevok]

I give you huge hint. In 1.31 galleys annihilate heavies. You need only two heavies in your fleet (one as flagman). Work even in open seas! Go and kill that filthy brits before they know that too!

I mean, we both knew this, just that they are banned in the games we play due to this overpowered nonsense.

 

[Trevok]

You can't.

Except by maybe outnumbering them severely. You'd need to cycle many more ship stacks than them & try to cut their reinforcements off, if possible (I'm assuming you're not playing on 1.31's vanilla balance, because it is god awful). The other thing you can try to do is go full naval build, but that doesn't work at all if they also do.

Key ideas: Maritime, Naval, Quality (no brainers); Exploration (20% Width policy), Religious (another 10% Morale with Maritime)

It kinda sucks to have to do all of these ideas where Britain can also just do Economic and Trade to counteract me with more deving and better armies. Plus, this galley thing is awful in the new patch so we personally just ban them in the MP games I play with my pals.

 

[EarlKonrad]

You can't.

Except by maybe outnumbering them severely. You'd need to cycle many more ship stacks than them & try to cut their reinforcements off, if possible (I'm assuming you're not playing on 1.31's vanilla balance, because it is god awful). The other thing you can try to do is go full naval build, but that doesn't work at all if they also do.

Key ideas: Maritime, Naval, Quality (no brainers); Exploration (20% Width policy), Religious (another 10% Morale with Maritime)

Wait... Did you change your font from yellow to white because that guy on that one thread asked you to?

 

[RobbieAB]

I mean, we both knew this, just that they are banned in the games we play due to this overpowered nonsense.

Why not ban Britain from going full naval build as that is also overpowered nonsense?

 

[Riukus]

Why not ban Britain from going full naval build as that is also overpowered nonsense?

Actually in some games people use mods to balance things, also people willing to help in situation like that. Because it can lead to monopolisaton of new world for one country. For me look like bad diplomacy or unbalance game.

I think diplomacy the only way for current situation. Like make friends with Denmark/Sweden, Burgundy/France or Aragon/Castile and treat England to not grab islands.

In vanilla one vs one England will win like 90%. If Portugal will not go all out and maybe cheese with reinforcement in fleet battle. But it not simple with humans. England economy also much better so last stand pointless too.

 

[BlazeKnight_]

Wait... Did you change your font from yellow to white because that guy on that one thread asked you to?

No, I just find the White easier to read than the Yellow, & I didn't realize it's different from the dull, default white colour.

Why not ban Britain from going full naval build as that is also overpowered nonsense?

The problem is also Britain's unique geographical position. Yes, their national ideas are extremely overpowered, but they can be countered by other good naval tags (Denmark) with the right idea groups. Problem being, nobody can do that because Denmark is threatened on land by a billion players & will probably die because of their bad land ideas, & Denmark has the best naval ideas outside of Britain, by far. The only nation that can afford to go into the naval game in Europe is probably Portugal, just being a wealth bringer to France, but Portuguese national ideas are garbage for navy.

There are simply no tags that can compete with Britain. You need Naval Morale in your national ideas to play the naval game, and unfortunately, all the tags with Naval Morale in Europe have to worry about the land game, except GB.

 

[Atomcreator]

"Rule Brittainia ! Brittainia rules the waves .."

 

[RobbieAB]

No, I just find the White easier to read than the Yellow, & I didn't realize it's different from the dull, default white colour.


The problem is also Britain's unique geographical position. Yes, their national ideas are extremely overpowered, but they can be countered by other good naval tags (Denmark) with the right idea groups. Problem being, nobody can do that because Denmark is threatened on land by a billion players & will probably die because of their bad land ideas, & Denmark has the best naval ideas outside of Britain, by far. The only nation that can afford to go into the naval game in Europe is probably Portugal, just being a wealth bringer to France, but Portuguese national ideas are garbage for navy.

There are simply no tags that can compete with Britain. You need Naval Morale in your national ideas to play the naval game, and unfortunately, all the tags with Naval Morale in Europe have to worry about the land game, except GB.

So Britain wins because the only tags that could challenge them get eaten? Lucky England to have such incompetent enemies.

This actually misses my point though, which was removing a strategy that would reliably beat Britain because it is “overpowered nonsense” and than complaining you can’t beat Britain is, itself, nonsensical.

 

[Jarvin]

No, I just find the White easier to read than the Yellow, & I didn't realize it's different from the dull, default white colour.

How about you just write in normal text, with default font & styling

 

[Marshmallow Marshall]

You are not meant to beat the British player on the seas. They have a natural advantage here. Your best bet is to destabilize them, use diplomacy to outnumber them, or sneakily land troops on their mainland.

 

[Lykus Cerebros]

Out of interest are you playing this constellation often? Seems to me like the Portugal player gets handed an extremely hard situation and kind of unfair.

 

[Rjalowe44]

Lately I've been trying out Venice, and I've found that they can amass a pretty sizeable navy (one that can potentially rival Britain) , and has decent naval ideas. If you can become powerful enough as Venice, their navy would have a good chance to take out Britain's

 

[Trevok]

Out of interest are you playing this constellation often? Seems to me like the Portugal player gets handed an extremely hard situation and kind of unfair.

Usually what happens is I rush africa, he rushes for America. Pretty much get an American player and I have a Brazil, so Spain and Brazil try to make headway in the Americas, England tries to constantly land in Africa (cause we have a "you can't take land unless you sieged it rule") and eventually the British Navy overwhelms both the full naval built Portugal as well as Spain. France never bothers to help us as England and the Netherlands brings money into the Channel for him. I remember a game where I had hotjoined in 1490 and portugal had all of africa but england had all of asia. Managed to steal 75% of the ivory coasts trade into Sevilla, but then he just got Mil access through Ottomans and landed through there with his thousands of mercenary companies.

 

[Trevok]

Lately I've been trying out Venice, and I've found that they can amass a pretty sizeable navy (one that can potentially rival Britain) , and has decent naval ideas. If you can become powerful enough as Venice, their navy would have a good chance to take out Britain's

They are usually banned in our games.

Out of interest are you playing this constellation often? Seems to me like the Portugal player gets handed an extremely hard situation and kind of unfair.

Yeah, usually its just Great Power rules and alliance rules till 1550. France and England never go after each other, even though they should totally be rivals and France can just steal more of Great Britain's trade as time goes on and they conquer more of Europe. Really sucks.

 

[newtlord]

They are usually banned in our games.

If you decide to ban every country with naval bonuses except Great Britain (and neither Venice's ideas nor its starting position are anything to write home about in the grand scheme of things), it's not very surprising that Britain is difficult to beat at sea.

 

[RobbieAB]

Lately I've been trying out Venice, and I've found that they can amass a pretty sizeable navy (one that can potentially rival Britain) , and has decent naval ideas. If you can become powerful enough as Venice, their navy would have a good chance to take out Britain's

The OP house rules out the galley swarm as overpowered nonsense. And is complaining that you can't counter the nation with silly powerful heavies if they do a full naval build. I would suggest the two factors might be related.