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Haven't played for a while, and I started an ironman game as Burgundy, just to get a feel for any changes. I did my usual run of actions; take the Bar conquest mission, do it, whilst fabricating claims on Utrecht, Friesland and Liege. I won the Bar war, and got my claims. As a peace settlement for the war, I just took Bar. That's the only thing I did. Suddenly, boom. -70 Aggressive Expansion penalty on pretty much everyone from France to Austria. Huge coalition, declares war in a few years, and my recovering manpower/mercenaries are no match for the constant stacks of annoyance.

In part, this may have been somewhat exacerbated by firstly, my heir dying, and then my ruler following him a few days later, leaving the bastard one-year old child of a maid to rule, through a regency council. However, the AE was absolutely ridiculous. In past games as Burgundy, I've been able to take Bar, Utrecht, Gelre, and Friesland, all without a coalition - sure, people were pissed at me, but they didn't declare a war. Was I just unlucky, or am I doing this wrong? Thanks.
 

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Are you sure you didn't get 3 hits of AE from your fabrications.
This.

You say you haven't played for a while, so I'm not sure if you know, but several patches back they changed it so being discovered during fabricating claims gives 10 AE. If you were discovered all 3 times, that would be 30 AE.
 

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Are you sure you didn't get 3 hits of AE from your fabrications.

This.

You say you haven't played for a while, so I'm not sure if you know, but several patches back they changed it so being discovered during fabricating claims gives 10 AE. If you were discovered all 3 times, that would be 30 AE.

10. That would be why. It used to be something like three or four for such a small state, but I think that must be the reason why the immediate coalition. -.-

Thanks, that clears things up. I guess I'll have to vassal feed Gelre or something.
 
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If you were discovered all 3 times, that would be 30 AE.
10 is only a base. It can give much more than that.

Sometimes it's easier to set your rivals and let the game give you claims or missions which give you claims. If you have to fabricate a claim though, get a spy advisor, and set target's owner as a rival to reduce the risk of getting caught.

As for reducing AE. Expand slowly militarily. Taking three provinces within five years is going to upset your neighbours unless you're allied with them. It's usually best to do a combination of diplomatic vassalisation and conquest. Feeding vassals their cores can greatly expand your empire without incurring any AE.

Above all, adapt to the situation at hand. A trick i like to use, which is highly dependent on coalitions forming against your neighbours, is to join a coalition so you get a CB with 15% AE against the target. Say for instance France stomps its neighbours, and a coalition forms against it with three or more members, you should try and form as many claims as possible on their land, then join it, get the CB, and claim all that land cheaply. It doesn't always work, but it can be very powerful if you can pull it off.
 

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Keep in mind that you can often get a free "wipe out nation x" mission when you border OPMS, that generates a claim without the necessity of fabricating it. I believe setting them as a rival greatly increases the chance it shows up in mission pool.

Alternatively, for someone like Burgundy, getting to +50 relations with any bordering nation of 3 provinces or fewer can let you get a subjugation CB, if you would rather get a 0 AE vassal (and potentially more than one, depending on who joins the war and allows negotiations)
 

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Don't force-annex minors in the HRE - it's not worth all the aggro. If you force-vassalise and then diplo-annex, you get half the AE upfront (or none with the appropriate mission), a free core (so no Unlawful Territory problems) and you can time the annexation to manage the opinion penalties. Once you are big enough, you can expand further without firing a shot by using the 'offer vassalisation' diplomatic option on small states.
 

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You can avoid "unlawful territory" if you or the emperor are at war (with anyone) for the entire time between the province acquired being uncored and cored.
Start an easily winnable war just before you accept the surrender of the previous one. Core the province, then peace out of the 2nd war.
Worth keeping a crappy OPM on your border just for that. Especially a heretic.