Any reason to reform government?

[I_am_Nemo]

Playing as Butua, and enjoying the 15% RCC off the Tribal Despotism at Empire Rank. Is there any benefit to reforming the government? It looks like my conversion decisions are locked behind it, but at the moment, I can't see much reason to switch out of Fetishist either. +1 Dip rep, +2 Heathen Tolerance, and a choice of (among others) 10% Goods produced, -2 unrest, or -.05 WE seems pretty hard to beat. With the 15% RCC from Tribal Despotism, even Hindu with Shiva for the 10% RCC seems like it'd be a downgrade.

Am I missing something, or am I pretty much in the best place possible, assuming mass blobbing/possibly trying for a WC?

 

[Rabid]

You stop getting those stupid tribal events which murder your heirs and give stab hits, other than that, I don't think that there's much benefit.

 

[Stadhouder]

Tribal governments have a penalty in relations slots, and some annoying events. If you can live without the former and live the latter they are perfectly fine.

 

[frolix42]

You get 3 extra states when you are reformed. The best generic form of government in the game is Enlightened Despotism. Institutional spread is an unbalanced joke, so that's not a big drawback.

Tribal isn't that bad, as Butua Animism is worse. If you convert to Muslim, you get an event which makes reforming your government very cheap so long as you have good relations with the Ottomans.

 

[I_am_Nemo]

Tribal isn't that bad, as Butua Animism is worse. If you convert to Muslim, you get an event which makes reforming your government very cheap so long as you have good relations with the Ottomans.

That ship has sailed, as the Ottos are my rival, and will probably continue to be my rival until I rip their heart out.

Aside from less AE from eating everything, why not stick with Fetishist (not Animist)? I've got the DLC for the cults, so there are actually some pretty nice bonuses there.

 

[Zenonira]

Once you're Empire Rank, I'm fairly sure the diplomatic relations penalty from being a tribal nation is gone, so the only detriment will be the special tribal events, as mentioned earlier. Personally, I'd value -15% CCR FAR above those events, so I would personally see no reason to reform the government.

 

[Mismangaement]

Playing as Butua, and enjoying the 15% RCC off the Tribal Despotism at Empire Rank. Is there any benefit to reforming the government? It looks like my conversion decisions are locked behind it, but at the moment, I can't see much reason to switch out of Fetishist either. +1 Dip rep, +2 Heathen Tolerance, and a choice of (among others) 10% Goods produced, -2 unrest, or -.05 WE seems pretty hard to beat. With the 15% RCC from Tribal Despotism, even Hindu with Shiva for the 10% RCC seems like it'd be a downgrade.

Am I missing something, or am I pretty much in the best place possible, assuming mass blobbing/possibly trying for a WC?

CCR > diplo slots so just go with it dude

 

[I_am_Nemo]

Once you're Empire Rank, I'm fairly sure the diplomatic relations penalty from being a tribal nation is gone, so the only detriment will be the special tribal events, as mentioned earlier. Personally, I'd value -15% CCR FAR above those events, so I would personally see no reason to reform the government.

Yeah, that was my thought process as well. Just wasn't sure if there was something less obvious that I was missing.

CCR > diplo slots so just go with it dude

It flips to -5% institution spread at empire rank, which is even more of non-factor. So yeah.


The only other thing I'm wondering about is stuff like revolution target, and whether having a conventional govt might be necessary for that, or if it's just a matter of moving my capital to Europe, loaning up, and doing some best cb for the WE/stab hits.

 

[Zenonira]

Fairly sure getting the disaster to become revolutionary doesn't require a conventional government, but if you do become revolutionary you will be forced out of your own government to become a Revolutionary Republic.

 

[Zohtun]

Fairly sure getting the disaster to become revolutionary doesn't require a conventional government, but if you do become revolutionary you will be forced out of your own government to become a Revolutionary Republic.

This is mostly true, but Celestial and Papal Governments can't have it fire.

 

[Nyrael]

I'd reform just because I would find Tribal Despotism in an advanced empire very hard to take seriously.

 

[Sfan]

Just keep tribal despotism. At Empire rank it is BY FAR the best government form in the game for the -15% CCR (and -1 unrest is always nice too).

 

[TenshiN]

Nay. As it was already said by other people, at Empire-level, the only serious drawback are those nasty tribal events that give you -1 stability or kill your heir, but -15% CCR is ungodly.

Am currently playing a Tripura game, and with kingdom-level Despotism, worshipping Shiva and Administrative ideagroup, i have -45% CCR before 1600