Just wondering if anyone see any point in invading Norway in the game. It does not increase tungsten imports nor does it preempt British occupation so wonder if anyone see any advantage to this....
Any reason to invade Norway?
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I invade Norway mainly for role playing, and the extra factory and tungsten are also nice. It also makes invading UK from Scotland more easily.
I find the way the game works with trade at the moment, there are few good reasons to invade Norway. If you invaded Sweden instead you don't have to guard the coast and you get MUCH more resources and factories.
Yea there should be a Resource reason but isn't, which is a pity. I do use it to base my Subs, so the don't have to go through the Chanel when repairing.
Historically, Germany invaded Norway because
1. Trade with Sweden was only possible through Narvik from October to April.
2. The British planned to seize Norwegian naval bases and mine Norwegian waters.
3. Norwegian bases could stage Kriegsmarine U-boats to move into the North Sea.
4. Norwegian airbases could allow the Luftwaffe to hit Northern England.
In Hearts of Iron 4 you invade Norway because
1. National Focus says so?????
1. Trade with Sweden was only possible through Narvik from October to April.
2. The British planned to seize Norwegian naval bases and mine Norwegian waters.
3. Norwegian bases could stage Kriegsmarine U-boats to move into the North Sea.
4. Norwegian airbases could allow the Luftwaffe to hit Northern England.
In Hearts of Iron 4 you invade Norway because
1. National Focus says so?????
Yeah the game mechanics don't make it relevant to invade, the u boat scenario might be the only reason, given that they will be able to pass the sea province to Norway in the first place, which in my experience often is attacked.
Too expensive... Totally overrated... Too cold! Man, you guys always find something to complain about.
I, on the other hand, graciously lands almost unopposed on it's beautiful beaches. Strolls around, enjoying the landscapes, the smell of the pines, and especially the sight of the fjords... Reaches Oslo, awards myself the nobel peace prize for having, of course, previously avoided a war with Poland.
Then I build a couple of forts in the northern mountains, and declare war on the Soviet Union.
If you get more than 100.000 casualites in that conflict, consider it a loss.
I, on the other hand, graciously lands almost unopposed on it's beautiful beaches. Strolls around, enjoying the landscapes, the smell of the pines, and especially the sight of the fjords... Reaches Oslo, awards myself the nobel peace prize for having, of course, previously avoided a war with Poland.
Then I build a couple of forts in the northern mountains, and declare war on the Soviet Union.
If you get more than 100.000 casualites in that conflict, consider it a loss.
It is not worth invading, which is a shame, I really hope in a DLC this can be changed, to make Norway as important as it historically was to the Germans. Simple things such as not allowing trade with Sweden during the winter, unless you had Norway would solve one issue.
It's free factories and you only have to garrison like 4 ports. Why wouldn't you invade?
For Germany, only in Multiplayer games to keep the UK from going after "your" Swedish resources. Otherwise you can safely ignore it as it is not worth the hassle and can potentially open up a northern front if Finland goes to Russia early. As the Allies, yes, to screw Germany out of the Swedish resources.
Pretty much historical.
I don't bother with it. The way the game's coded now, I find it's more of a sideshow/distraction than what it's worth. That said, I'd love to see the scenario improved to give an incentive to make it worth the effort.
well, if the allies were actually supplying Russia through the northern port, then Germany would want to have Norway to help shut that down. As is, Russia has too much potential industry and doesn't need the allies help; unlike history.
Best place to launch a Sea Lion from unless you go for Iceland. Not worth it purely for resources.
I have been often very critical of HOI4, but in this area I am not. You had no real "reason" to do so if playing Germany in HOI3 either, but I still did it because of role-play - if playing another nation on the other hand, I expect Germany to invade Norway.
But I agree that the whole "national focus things" are extremely stupid. Would work a whole lot better with events instead.
But I agree that the whole "national focus things" are extremely stupid. Would work a whole lot better with events instead.
The only problem I see with the Norway situation is because of Naval warfare and convoy raiding ATM. I dont know how it works in reality but I imagine evenin with the might of the Royal Navy, historically it was not a smart move to sail into enemy coastal waters unless you had air superiority.
IMHO naval engagements close to an allied shore should be in your favor. That could possibly translate into an increased spotting, engage and air effictivity rating. Right now this is only slightly represented by radar stations which are expensive in both IC and research. I figure even without radar you have better intel about whats going on on your shores compared to somewhere in the atlantic.
IMHO naval engagements close to an allied shore should be in your favor. That could possibly translate into an increased spotting, engage and air effictivity rating. Right now this is only slightly represented by radar stations which are expensive in both IC and research. I figure even without radar you have better intel about whats going on on your shores compared to somewhere in the atlantic.
Maybe we could have an event-chain that breaks off trade with Sweden November-March if you do not control Narvik while at war with Britain. At least a peace-meal solution for mods, anyone have ideas along those lines?
If there was a lot of lend lease trade going around the Kola you might want the air bases, but ai Russia won't make a lot of convoys and the recipient is required by code to carry it's goods. A player can send them convoys but the ai won't. And then you get to the whole "subs are iron coffins now so why waste research and resources on them" issue in 1.3.3.
Probably could mod where you have say 9 months after war with the UK to control Narvik or access to Sweden is cut for 4 months. But it would have to be a mod most likely. PDS doesn't like railroading people into having to do stuff in HOI4 and this might be taking realism too far for them.
You could write it up as a suggestion in the sub forum, they will take a look at the idea.
I was playing an SP Poland game to get to know the country and ceded Danzig which blocks the German focus for Norway and seemingly even German AI did better overall without it.
Pardon if I'm wrong but aren't the Danish belts also controlled by Norway making it vital to the Soviet Union? I'm in a playthrough as Germany and I'm about to invade the Soviet Union but not until I seize the Danish Belts and Dardenelles.
The Soviet player/AI usually doesn't have a meaningful navy so you can easily interdict those routes and the Danish strait can even be blocked. Btw the Danish strait is controlled by Denmark, not Norway.