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I think a game were you play in the shadows would be very interesting (and a very good AAR :D) but i don't recall any country having good spy ideas. Are there any or is the only real way to go for the espionage idea in the nation idea list?
 

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I think a game were you play in the shadows would be very interesting (and a very good AAR :D) but i don't recall any country having good spy ideas. Are there any or is the only real way to go for the espionage idea in the nation idea list?
From what I've seen the only spy NI's have been counter, not pro, like reduced rebellion. You could possibly see +1 diplomat as a spy function too, which is pro espionage.
 

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I don't know what nation, but the Wiki with national Ideas http://eu4wiki.com/National_ideas has Espionage, which made me look for your thread.

Espionage

Privateers: +33% embargo efficiency
Vetting: +25% defense against enemy covert actions
Rumourmongering: Allows Sabotage Reputation
Efficient Spies: +25% more efficient covert actions
Shady Recruitment: 33% less relation penalty for being discovered
Destabilizing Efforts: Allows Sow Discontent
Espionage: Allows Infiltrate Administration

Bonus: +50% bonus to rebel support efficiency.

That looks like a very attractive offensive list to me.

I've never been one to use spies much in EU3, the odd fabricate but it seldom worked iirc. However, looking over the list made me remember one of my absolute favorite gameplay memories. The Darlocks. They weren't powerful or productive, but I rarely had to fight anyone since all my enemies were constantly at war with, well, whoever I wanted them to be at war with. It was very OP, but man was it fun!

I'd love to sit somewhere relatively small and safe and make the rest of the world fight who I wanted them to fight, or at least be effectively way more powerful than I ought to be without blobbing. So if you get an answer about who gets Spy NIs, I'd love to hear it.