Any chance of a 1081 start date?

[Metz77]

I see a lot of people writing off 1337. Surely other people enjoyed it? Trying to resuscitate the Byzantines has always been really fun for me.

It honestly just doesn't seem likely to make the cut, since Henrik specifically said they're not considering later start dates.

 

[Krajzen]

I see a lot of people writing off 1337. Surely other people enjoyed it? Trying to resuscitate the Byzantines has always been really fun for me.

1) It's only 116 years of historical medieval era and even with later gameplay enabled the game has no systems to enable transition into early modern era. Hell, it starts to fail in 14th century because it's about the time firearms started revolutionizing European warfare. Firearms had enormous importance for Ottoman expansion. CK is also utterly unable ofc to model exploration era.
2) People simply like to play far longer than 100 years, for me campaign not lasting at least 200 is very inconplete
3) In 1337 everything (infrastructure, tech etc) is established limiting your own ability to develop the world
4) 1337 is becoming geopolitically close to 1444 and people who played eu4 like me prefer more exotic times, not similar political order like their countless eu4 campaigns
5) 1337 bypasses crusades, Byzantine power, caliphates, mongol invasion and most of paganism.


IMO 1081 is better start date than 1066, even weakened Byzantium is still powerful and it has much more interesting starting position - besides, if somebody wants really mighty Byzantium, you'd always have 867 (and 936?). Also Jerusalem controlled by Seljuks instead of Fatimids (and weakened Byzantium) make for significantly more historical crusades. Also slightly weaker HRE. I honestly think 1066 is mostly due to memetic anglocentrism.

936 is a brilliant start date and I hope is in available on release date. 867, 936 and 1066 (1081 ) would make me satisfied.

It's be cool if we had some crusades start date after forming crusader kingdoms (early after first crusades or in Saladin era) and between 1204 and 1220, when Byzantium is crushed and Mongols are coming.

 

[treb]

I agree. The reason Henrik gave was that it was far too much work for too little reward, given that nobody used it, and the time was better spent on bookmarks.

Ill miss playing as Bulgarian cabbage king tbh, its quite a riot usurping Byzantium and putting 'Cabbage' forever more on the list of imperial dynasties

 

[Metz77]

1) It's only 116 years of historical medieval era and even with later gameplay enabled the game has no systems to enable transition into early modern era.

And with EU converter confirmed gone, there will be absolutely no official way to make that transition, either.

Ill miss playing as Bulgarian cabbage king tbh, its quite a riot usurping Byzantium and putting 'Cabbage' forever more on the list of imperial dynasties

I have to admit that's funny as hell.

 

[bitmapmedivh]

I can see both 1337 and 1220 start dates not being included in CK3. 1337 for reasons written by earlier posters, and 1220 for being too close to 1204. Genghis Khan's conquests might be an absolutely momentous historical event, but it can be modeled by events, and don't warrant a start date of its own, particularly when there's a perfectly fine start date just 16 years earlier.

 

[Pied-Noir]

I'm glad they're not bothering with a converter, they've always seemed like a huge waste of dev time and always end up broken after several major expansions anyway. On top of that, by the time CK III gets running we'll have an EU V announcement anyway.

 

[Metz77]

I'm glad they're not bothering with a converter, they've always seemed like a huge waste of dev time and always end up broken after several major expansions anyway. On top of that, by the time CK III gets running we'll have an EU V announcement anyway.

I agree. I'm sure @Idhrendur and team will get an unofficial one going at some point anyway, and they seem to be more on top of updates anyway. (The benefit of passion projects vs. mandated development time, I assume.)

 

[Asiak]

It was the best late start date.

 

[Delta5ff]

I think 1337 remains the most logical final start date. Participate in 100 Year War and build up the Ottomans among possible campaigns. It leaves 100+ years of game time, which is all people play most of the time anyways.

Also with the ability to turn the end date off I think the later dates would get played a bit more since your not looking at trying to get everything done in just a hundred years

I sincerely doubt we'll see 1337 — it was the latest bookmark in CK2 and the devs have already said they want to remove the later starts.

All I want is my mongol bookmark!

I see a lot of people writing off 1337. Surely other people enjoyed it? Trying to resuscitate the Byzantines has always been really fun for me.

To be fair I see is getting all the start dates from CK2 eventually. They have a large chunk of the research done already from CK2 and there is clearly a demand for them. I think they'll just follow a small number out with the base game then roll the rest out over the next several years with the DLC's. That way they can focus all their efforts on making the launch start dates as complete and accurate as possible without stretching themselves to thin by working on all of them at once

 

[Delta5ff]

Ill miss playing as Bulgarian cabbage king tbh, its quite a riot usurping Byzantium and putting 'Cabbage' forever more on the list of imperial dynasties

?? Who, I'm not familiar with that one?

936 is a brilliant start date and I hope is in available on release date. 867, 936 and 1066 (1081 ) would make me satisfied.

I think that's a good starting selection for launch. And I really can't see them not adding more dates post launch.

 

[Metz77]

?? Who, I'm not familiar with that one?

He's in the interesting characters list on the wiki:

Ivajlo Bardokva, King of Bulgaria, 1279: The legendary Ivajlo the Cabbage. He was an illiterate pig-herder who seized the Bulgarian Throne, and, for a brief time at least, held off the Byzantines and the Golden Horde. You start as the sole member of House Bardokva (which roughly translates as 'House Lettuce'). Your stats are poor, and you're surrounded by enemies. But your rank as King opens useful marriage alliances, and you're ideally positioned to capitalize on the woes of a weakening Byzantine Empire. Just make sure you treat your high-born wife a bit better than the real Ivajlo did.​

 

[vandevere]

?? Who, I'm not familiar with that one?

I think that's a good starting selection for launch. And I really can't see them not adding more dates post launch.

The 1189 Start would be fun too. For example, we get the Plantagenet King Henry II, and all the insanity that cam with his sons. I would hate to miss out on that...