Iranian Intermezzo works well with the theme of this DLC, and with regency mechanic there could be a chance to simulate Almanzor in Iberia.
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Any chance of 936 bookmark with Legacy of Persia DLC in Q4?
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If they ever add East Asia, the 936 start date would be perfect for that as well. China starts heavily divided, with Shi Jingtang ready to overthrow his brother-in-law, Li Congke of the Later Tang. In Japan, Taira no Masakado is rebelling against the central government in the Tengyō no Ran. In Korea, Wang Geon is about to finish his unification of the Later Three Kingdoms of Korea, with the conquest of Later Baekje. In Vietnam, Dương Đình Nghệ rules the Jinghai Circuit, his son-in-law, Ngô Quyền, will later liberate Vietnam from centuries of Chinese rule.
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Leagacy of Persia is just a flavour pack, not an actual expansion.
There isn't going to be a new bookmark.
There isn't going to be a new bookmark.
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Yeah I don’t see them releasing a new Bookmark on a flavor pack, the CK3 team is already less book mark inclined and I can’t see their first being a side project by Snowcrystal.
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New bookmarks are a ton of work, and that is dev time that could be spent on other things within the same pack.
I miss Iron Century, but if they wanted to do it, it should be its own thing, not shoehorned into another pack, or you risk short-changing both.
I miss Iron Century, but if they wanted to do it, it should be its own thing, not shoehorned into another pack, or you risk short-changing both.
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I do love the Iron Century bookmark and hope it makes an eventual return, but 867 should be suitable enough for Iranian Intermezzo play.
You know, 936 was kinda jank. It was a pastime project and it showed. Any new attempts need to be more thought out. But given that 867 has not yet received the required polish, it's not looking like that's going to happen this year. Maybe in the future.
There will for sure be a bookmark, but there won't be any new start dates.
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Regarding new bookmarks the devs have stated very clearly that it is unlikely to happen (pretty much ever).
It's an incredible amount of work and knowing from CK2 only very few people play the new bookmarks. The absolute overwhelming majority goes for the "default" ones that they are used to.
They most likely want to not "waste" effort for a niché feature that barely anyone will use, when they could instead put this work into improving game mechanics as they are doing with the major free patch that's coming our way.
EDIT: Why the "disagree"? I was merely relaying what the devs have stated themselves before multiple times in Q&As.
It's an incredible amount of work and knowing from CK2 only very few people play the new bookmarks. The absolute overwhelming majority goes for the "default" ones that they are used to.
They most likely want to not "waste" effort for a niché feature that barely anyone will use, when they could instead put this work into improving game mechanics as they are doing with the major free patch that's coming our way.
EDIT: Why the "disagree"? I was merely relaying what the devs have stated themselves before multiple times in Q&As.
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They would also trying to get players to try different characters, dates and scenarios, that's why they made improved and more appealing & detailed bookmark menus with suggested characters in both 867 and 1066. A new and improved Iron Century-like bookmark could be presented in the same way. And maybe even a late 12th early 13th century with some hypotetical late-game mechanics (in the far far future, considering how development is going).
I still know this isn't gonna happening. Even 867, which is in the core game, feels "worse" than 1066, not enough tested, polished or even complete.
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I'm pretty sure I've recently seen some of the devs in the forums state that they would like to add new bookmarks at some point, though of course that's not a promise.
I'm afraid this definitely hits the nail on the head.
I'm actually not really involved with that DLC at the mo, but unless I've really missed something, I don't believe there's a new start date coming with it (though pretty sure there's a bookmark).
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Couldn't they just transport most of the data from CK2 files actually? There are mods with a gazillion starting dates around and all are well-built, I simply have a hard time believing it's a tremendous amount of work to maintain 3-4 start dates
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Yes, they could, because this is what happened with 867 and 1066 - although clearly start dates were done in greater detail due to the expanded map.
The problem with 936 is that all the work that went into adding it to the game came in a version of CK2 newer than the version CK3 was based on (i.e. that scenario and character data is missing).
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935 is a very interesting time for Central Europe, with Alberic II of Spoleto ruling as Prince of Rome against his mother and her husband Hugh of Italy, while Otto the Great is about to inherit Germany- with rumblings of discontent from the disgruntled East Frankish nobility.
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We could, sort of, but we really shouldn't.
There's no point in CK3 taking something subpar from CK2 and building upon it, and I'm the first to admit IC had some problems (as Voy so kindly points out). They'd spend just as long figuring out what's correct and incorrect, as they would starting from scratch.
I know for a fact the CK3 team is able to make something a lot more accurate and significantly better than I managed back then, even with all the help I got, if they ever chose to invest the resources into doing it. I'm proud of how it turned out, particularly gameplay-wise, but there's many glaring mistakes I wish I could go back and fix now.
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Everytime a new DLC adds a game mechanics, they'd need to add it for starting characters in all start dates.That's where the tremendous amount of work comes from. Like, changing something in feudal contracts? You need to update the entire world for every start date.
And as other users mentionned, the majority of players just pick the earliest start date anyway.
I would add a last argument: additional start dates are the perfect mods. No need to design additional features. Lots of work that takes time but isn't particularly frustrating. Niche community (so few fans, but dedicated ones). As a modder you can take your time to update it when a new version of the game is released.
And if something is missing? No big deal, it's just a mod.
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I mean... I really don't think 936 was much worse than 867, and it benefitted from being slightly later and therefore having a greater number of sources.
I suppose at this point we're just going to have to accept that CK3 isn't going to get new start dates outside of mods.
Realistically it's a choice between more mechanics and start dates. It would be better if the devs concerned themselves with the former. There are 936 mods on the workshop already.I suppose at this point we're just going to have to accept that CK3 isn't going to get new start dates outside of mods.
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