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classic sweden

(I know there are probably a million threads on this, idc)
Idk, I feel like the Rise of Islam (630'ish AD) would be a really cool bookmark, I know some (or a lot) of people are against it, but I mean: Charlemagne wasn't in the era of feudalism, so I don't see why not.

What could this add:
- Some sort of bureaucracy mechanic
- Religious conversion expanded
- Sassanids
- Possibly fix the great schism and make a united Christianity (something Charlemagne didn't do)
- Expand the silk road further
- Expand Zoroastrianism

It's just an idea, feedback would be appreciated.

No way, that would be absolutely haram. There's not a lot of records for that period afaik, which was a barely manageable problem in Charlamagne.
 

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My main issue with CM bookmark is the fact it mainly has two blobs, with Caliphate being way too stable of the two.

Frankly I think a bookmark which takes place bit earlier such as 749/750 would been more interesting. This one could have had Schism mechanics, Abbasids vs. Umaayads and Chinese in Tarim Basin.

This would have made earliest bookmark properly different. Now it is just Old Gods with blobs.
 
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I think there should be 950 start date, it's the time when eastern tribes started to convert, I would gladly play as HRE and share the faith with the others :D
 

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Edit: Also the great schism doesn't happen till 1054, paradox just never bothered to merge orthodox and Catholicism in the earlier starts

The Great Schism doesn't happen before the siege of Constantinople of 1204. But it was the conclusion of a very gradual process. Its roots go very deep long before that. Some argue that the filioque imposed by Charlemagne on Latin Credo (without the consent of the Pope in Rome) was one of the first steps of this process but, in my humble opinion, it go quite more deep than that, even before Christianity.

My opinion is that it root from the Pagan Roman conquest of the Pagan Hellenic Eastern Mediterranean world. Hellenes, never accepted anything coming from the Latin part of the Roman empire (except the figure of the emperor and legions which protected their lands against foreign threats). During the time of the Roman Empire, there was more cultural opposition between Latin and Hellenes than between Pagans and Christians. In Hellenic texts of that time, Roman are generally considered being Barbarians.

This cultural mutual incomprehension between Hellenes and Latins became a religious incomprehension between Western Christianity and Eastern Christianity which culminated and became sort of "definitive" with the sack of Constantinople by Latin crusaders (albeit the Pope condemned Latin crusaders and albeit there was attempts to end the Great Schism later than that, the most known being the Florence Council of 1439).

The date of 1054 was took by modern day historians who wanted to have a symbolical date to "mark" the division but it was a non-event for most of contemporaneous Christians.
 
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Thanks for advertising. I hope to have AD 821 bookmark done by end of september ;)

AD751 I no longer update as the end result was never to my liking. If I ever get some kind of Schism mechanics from a modder, I might just re-do it entirely.
I have some ideas for Great Schism mechanics which seem not too impossible to make. I could send them to you in a PM if you'd like.