Any chance for a 0.1.5a or 0.1.6 change log?

[Gurluas]

Generally, not all ingame sources are 100% correct. WoG pretty much states as much. Preliterate Argonian/Khajiit communities were well documented already established and widespread in Tamriel during the early Merethic era as documented by Topal the Pilot, which means the Khajiit would have had to have broken off during the Dawn era.



Reports does not equal verified. We only consider couples that have produced verified offspring to be fertile. That is why Orsimer are interfertile with men and mer while Khajiit and Argonians are not.



The Septim era is the exception rather than the norm, note that the Septim Empire's multiculturalism was an exception to history which typically involved most of the races trying to kill eachother. Only the cultures within the same culture group (Altmer/Bosmer and Imperial/Nord/Breton) regularly intermingled.



It matters what is on the inside as well.

Khajiit differ from humans and elves not only their skeletal and dermal physiology -- the “fur” that covers their bodies -- but their metabolism and digestion as well.

Orsimer have confirmed children with Men in ESO. Not a big surprise considering they're Mer. - Oops, I misread interfertile as infertile.
You shouldn't base the entire breeding system out of an in-universe report on limited observation.

And their physiology matters little when the child will be the same race as the mother no matter what.
It isn't like in RL where the offspring takes genetics from both parents.

And like said, ESO's era is as multicultural (There isn't an overaching Empire with everyone as citizens, but you find Bosmer in Daggerfall, Altmer in Morrowind, etc.) as the other eras, which far predates the Septim era.

 

[Novacat]

Orsimer were confirmed to have children in Oblivion. Agnorak gro-Malog, Orc mother and Imperial Vampire father.

You shouldn't base the entire breeding system out of an in-universe report on limited observation.

I base it off of evidence. There is evidence of Orsimer-Mer/Men offspring. There is absolutly no evidence, whatsoever, of Khajiit-Men/Mer or Argonian-Men/Mer offspring. None. Not a single, documented, offspring. Despite many, many, many, many couplings.

And like said, ESO's era is as multicultural (There isn't an overaching Empire with everyone as citizens, but you find Bosmer in Daggerfall, Altmer in Morrowind, etc.) as the other eras, which far predates the Septim era.

Thats not exactly multiculturalism...

 

[Gurluas]

Orsimer were confirmed to have children in Oblivion. Agnorak gro-Malog, Orc mother and Imperial Vampire father.



I base it off of evidence. There is evidence of Orsimer-Mer/Men offspring. There is absolutly no evidence, whatsoever, of Khajiit-Men/Mer or Argonian-Men/Mer offspring. None. Not a single, documented, offspring. Despite many, many, many, many couplings.



Thats not exactly multiculturalism...

True it isn't, but there are a lot of pairings in these cases.
Like a Breton/Bosmer, Altmer/Khajit, Bosmer/Khajit
And the afforementioned Forebear Redguard/Breton. So I don't think theres anything wrong with Interracial marriages, at least not lorewise.

As for Children...Well, we can't know. ESO does not have a single child.
I might try to ask next time there is a lore QA. It's been 100% confirmed that Argonians cannot have children with Men or Mer.
But Khajits weren't mentioned.

 

[Novacat]

Note that the characters you will find in ESO are not exactly representative of the regular population... generally Bethesda (and probably Zenimax) policy is that only interesting/unusual characters get shown.

 

[Gurluas]

Note that the characters you will find in ESO are not exactly representative of the regular population... generally Bethesda (and probably Zenimax) policy is that only interesting/unusual characters get shown.

Theres a lot of normal people who are by no means special too. But the fact that it happens means it should be possible.

 

[Novacat]

It is still possible, just rarer due to the rules restriction, which is exactly how I want it.

 

[Gurluas]

It is still possible, just rarer due to the rules restriction, which is exactly how I want it.

Yeah, I just wish there was a way to overcome them somehow.
Maybe some special event or something.

Also a question regarding Dremora in EK:
Are they immortal like Altmer, I.E they end up dying of disease later on, or are they immortal like the immortal trait.
Where they simply don't die off unless assasinated/dying in battle.

 

[darthfanta]

Generally, not all ingame sources are 100% correct. WoG pretty much states as much. Preliterate Argonian/Khajiit communities were well documented already established and widespread in Tamriel during the early Merethic era as documented by Topal the Pilot, which means the Khajiit would have had to have broken off during the Dawn era.



Reports does not equal verified. We only consider couples that have produced verified offspring to be fertile. That is why Orsimer are interfertile with men and mer while Khajiit and Argonians are not.



The Septim era is the exception rather than the norm, note that the Septim Empire's multiculturalism was an exception to history which typically involved most of the races trying to kill eachother. Only the races within the same culture group (Altmer/Bosmer and Imperial/Nord/Breton) regularly intermingled.



It matters what is on the inside as well.

Khajiit differ from humans and elves not only their skeletal and dermal physiology -- the “fur” that covers their bodies -- but their metabolism and digestion as well.

I was under the impression that the races were much more pragmatic than that and that if a marriage with another race presented an advantage, they'd gladly do it.

 

[Novacat]

Dremora in EK are not fully implimented. When they are, they will probably be fully immortal, no death unless assassinated/dying in battle.

I was under the impression that the races were much more pragmatic than that and that if a marriage with another race presented an advantage, they'd gladly do it.

It depends on the individual and culture, as well as the potential suitor.

 

[Gurluas]

Dremora in EK are not fully implimented. When they are, they will probably be fully immortal, no death unless assassinated/dying in battle.



It depends on the individual and culture, as well as the potential suitor.

Yes but in the current build, how are they?

 

[Novacat]

Current build they are not suseptible to disease but are suseptible to incapable/infirm/etc because their exceptions are not scripted in yet.

 

[Gurluas]

Current build they are not suseptible to disease but are suseptible to incapable/infirm/etc because their exceptions are not scripted in yet.

Ah ok...Can you script it in the next version? Even without their portraits they're still interesting to play.

Also I have an interesting lore reveal regarding Dremora and Daedra in general:

This means they can be like mortals, bound to Mundus.
Of course, doing so costs them their immortality, as they will not return to the waters of Oblivion upon their death in Mundus.
But they're still immune to old age and such. This would fit EK Dremora very much.

 

[Novacat]

Ah ok...Can you script it in the next version? Even without their portraits they're still interesting to play.

They will only be scripted when the portraits are done.

 

[Gurluas]

They will only be scripted when the portraits are done.

Dang...I wish I could help, unfortunately graphically all I can do is recoloring.