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Unite High Kingdom CBs are still around.
 

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Well, in ES'S lore, high kingdoms collapsed all the time. Any way you will try to simulate that?
 

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It is actually fairly rare for high kingdoms to collapse... High Rock being the only one to collapse more than once...
 

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It is actually fairly rare for high kingdoms to collapse... High Rock being the only one to collapse more than once...

Skyrim has collapsed a few times too, if I recall correctly.

That is if we consider the original human conquests "Skyrim" but you do seem to consider it in game, so dunno.
 

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Well, Skyrim's history I am not well versed on but IIRC it was united for a long time but federalized, in that each hold had a great deal of autonomy.
 

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Aren't Archmages the absolute best mage leaders? I think Battlemage or Mage is best.
In any case, I'm really sad to see Sixth House (Needed it for the Almsivi Dagoth Ur event I am making) and Anuic Religion removed, as I liked to play as a follower of Anu, plus it was an interesting counterpart to the Void religion.
Not happy with that.
I don't think Archmages should be depicted as a type of unit, but should be a status bestowed upon actual characters.Having an archmage on your side should definitely be a game changer.

Another thing is will interfaith marriages ever get fixed?It's getting annoying that I can't marry someone of another faith even when I'm their liege.
 
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Remember in Bruma, at the inn, there is that Nord and his lady and they boast about getting married the "nord way" which appears to just be shackin' up and calling it a day.

Weird how in Skyrim no one else really appears to have done it that way.
 

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I don't think Archmages should be depicted as a type of unit, but should be a status bestowed upon actual characters.Having an archmage on your side should definitely be a game changer.

Thats pretty much how EK's archmages are going to work. Special units with very, very high stats.

Another thing is will interfaith marriages ever get fixed?It's getting annoying that I can't marry someone of another faith even when I'm their liege.

Nope. The general goal is to stop different races from marrying eachother, as that usually results in all the races intermarrying eachother when interracial marriage was quite rare.
 

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Thats pretty much how EK's archmages are going to work. Special units with very, very high stats.



Nope. The general goal is to stop different races from marrying eachother, as that usually results in all the races intermarrying eachother when interracial marriage was quite rare.
And I doubt nobles would've ever married someone of another race. Except of course with humans and mer but not with the beast races.
 

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And I doubt nobles would've ever married someone of another race. Except of course with humans and mer but not with the beast races.

Actually I find it a bit iffy that Khajit cannot breed with Mer/Men. Honestly I'm pretty sure it'd work as with the other races.
All we have on interbreeding is Racial Phylogeny, but that's an In-Lore book, with the author being pretty clueless in a lot of cases.

Khajit are basically altered Mer. A bit similar to how Orcs are altered Mer, except that Azura altered the Khajits instead of Mauloch.

Argonians on the other hand...A whole different reproductive system.
Plus it's implied they're not even descended from the Ehlnofey but from the Hist.

It's also pretty much implied that all/most races descend from Aedra. A Daedra pretty much confirms it. (Screenshot is attached)
Therefor I think that Daedra can probably also interbreed with Men/Mer. At least the ones with compatible reproductive systems, such as Dremora.

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Actually I find it a bit iffy that Khajit cannot breed with Mer/Men. Honestly I'm pretty sure it'd work as with the other races.
All we have on interbreeding is Racial Phylogeny, but that's an In-Lore book, with the author being pretty clueless in a lot of cases.

Khajit are basically altered Mer. A bit similar to how Orcs are altered Mer, except that Azura altered the Khajits instead of Mauloch.

Argonians on the other hand...A whole different reproductive system.
Plus it's implied they're not even descended from the Ehlnofey but from the Hist.

It's also pretty much implied that all/most races descend from Aedra. A Daedra pretty much confirms it. (Screenshot is attached)
Therefor I think that Daedra can probably also interbreed with Men/Mer. At least the ones with compatible reproductive systems, such as Dremora.

Daedra are incapable of reproduction at all. In fact, it's quite probable that there is a set (but absurdly high) number of daedra in existence. Since they are immortal, it matter little.

As for why the khajiit can't interbreed with other races, it is possible that their biology was changed far too much to be compatible anymore.
 

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Daedra are incapable of reproduction at all. In fact, it's quite probable that there is a set (but absurdly high) number of daedra in existence. Since they are immortal, it matter little.

As for why the khajiit can't interbreed with other races, it is possible that their biology was changed far too much to be compatible anymore.

It's not confirmed that Daedra are incapable of having hybrids with mortals.
Even Racial Phylogeny hinted at it.

And I don't think so. Honestly, logically it should be possible for Khajit to have offspring with Men and Mer, and with the mother defining the race. (It'd be random in EK though)
 

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Beast races are not biologically compatable with eachother or men/mer races, period. Even Racial Phylogeny mentioned that there are no documented offspring whatsoever. Even the Orsimer were a bit fuzzy, but there are documented offspring so they are permitted.

Khajit are basically altered Mer. A bit similar to how Orcs are altered Mer, except that Azura altered the Khajits instead of Mauloch.

This is true, but Khajiits were altered to a far more extremely than the Orsimer, and were altered a very, very long time before the Orsimer. Note that the Khajiit left elven society during the Dawn era (they are already established on Tamriel by the Mythic era), and nobody has any idea who they were, which is strange considering that all of the other Aldmeri splinter groups, with exception of the left handed elves, were well documented. It is probable that the Khajiit left while the Elves were still called Ehlnofey.

It's not confirmed that Daedra are incapable of having hybrids with mortals.

It has been mentioned that Daedra cannot create life.

It's also pretty much implied that all/most races descend from Aedra. A Daedra pretty much confirms it. (Screenshot is attached)
Therefor I think that Daedra can probably also interbreed with Men/Mer. At least the ones with compatible reproductive systems, such as Dremora.

Common ancestry does not garuntee interfertility... otherwise you could argue us humans would be fertile with every species on Earth. Men/Mer are interfertile with eachother because they were not substantially altered biologically. Khajiit, on the other hand, were, so despite their common ancestry, they are not interfertile with men or mer.
 
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Beast races are not biologically compatable with eachother or men/mer races, period. Even Racial Phylogeny mentioned that there are no documented offspring whatsoever.

Incorrect, the book never states that it is unequivocally impossible. The author notes that there have been many reports of offspring between men/mer and beast race couplings through the eras, but that there are no well documented offspring. that's much more ambiguous than you believe it to be.
 

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that's much more ambiguous than you believe it to be.

Precisely; the same piece of evidence can be used to argue both viewpoints. The team takes the viewpoint that while you can imagine as much yiff between your khajiit+non-khajiit pairing, babies aren't happening.
 

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Thats pretty much how EK's archmages are going to work. Special units with very, very high stats.



Nope. The general goal is to stop different races from marrying eachother, as that usually results in all the races intermarrying eachother when interracial marriage was quite rare.
Why is that? Interracial marriage seems to be pretty prominent amongst the nobles.A good number of Septim emperors married Elves. The mad emperor married the Duchess of Vardenvell who in turn usurped his throne. There's also the King of Daggerfall who married the Redguard princess from Sentinel.The King of Wayrest(a Breton) marrying Barenziah.Finally, King Helseth's sister married the Altmer King of Firsthold.
 
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Beast races are not biologically compatable with eachother or men/mer races, period. Even Racial Phylogeny mentioned that there are no documented offspring whatsoever. Even the Orsimer were a bit fuzzy, but there are documented offspring so they are permitted.



This is true, but Khajiits were altered to a far more extremely than the Orsimer, and were altered a very, very long time before the Orsimer. Note that the Khajiit left elven society during the Dawn era (they are already established on Tamriel by the Mythic era), and nobody has any idea who they were, which is strange considering that all of the other Aldmeri splinter groups, with exception of the left handed elves, were well documented. It is probable that the Khajiit left while the Elves were still called Ehlnofey.



It has been mentioned that Daedra cannot create life.



Common ancestry does not garuntee interfertility... otherwise you could argue us humans would be fertile with every species on Earth. Men/Mer are interfertile with eachother because they were not substantially altered biologically. Khajiit, on the other hand, were, so despite their common ancestry, they are not interfertile with men or mer.

It is possible, although I believe they left very early during the Aldmer days, because Bosmer were referenced in their mythos, and Bosmer didn't appear until the very early Merethic era.
In fantasy settings mating works very different. In Warcraft for instance, Gnomes can breed with a Tauren. (Big bull men) Fantasy rarely follows real life rules, and Elder Scrolls definitely does not, seeing as instead of hybrids being created,
the child always belongs to the race of the mother. And even if it did...Do not forget, that it's actually still possible that humans may breed with chimpanzees. Although very few experiments were ever made in that area and they were done crudely. (I.E the Stalin sponsored ones)

As for the Daedra, no, they cannot create life...BUT, they can manipulate the mortal's ability to do so.
Also interracial marriage is pretty common. King Emeric married a Redguard to form the politicial alliance needed to make the Daggerfall Covenant.
Plus theres many Human/Mer couplings, and even Mer/Khajit and Human/Khajit, and even Dunmer/Argonian, etc.

I can see why mechanically interracial marriages would be a problem, but perhaps we should try to invent a mechanic to circumvent that issue so players still can marry interacially.
 

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Why is that? Interracial marriage seems to be pretty prominent amongst the nobles.A good number of Septim emperors married Elves. The mad emperor married the Duchess of Vardenvell who in turn usurped his throne.

This is actually the justification I use for having roughly every third emperor marry an elf (usually a Dunmer), well that and the chance for much longer lived heirs.
 

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It is possible, although I believe they left very early during the Aldmer days, because Bosmer were referenced in their mythos, and Bosmer didn't appear until the very early Merethic era.

Generally, not all ingame sources are 100% correct. WoG pretty much states as much. Preliterate Argonian/Khajiit communities were well documented already established and widespread in Tamriel during the early Merethic era as documented by Topal the Pilot, which means the Khajiit would have had to have broken off during the Dawn era.

Incorrect, the book never states that it is unequivocally impossible. The author notes that there have been many reports of offspring between men/mer and beast race couplings through the eras, but that there are no well documented offspring. that's much more ambiguous than you believe it to be.

Reports does not equal verified. We only consider couples that have produced verified offspring to be fertile. That is why Orsimer are interfertile with men and mer while Khajiit and Argonians are not.

Why is that? Interracial marriage seems to be pretty prominent amongst the nobles.A good number of Septim emperors married Elves. The mad emperor married the Duchess of Vardenvell who in turn usurped his throne. There's also the King of Daggerfall who married the Redguard princess from Sentinel.The King of Wayrest(a Breton) marrying Barenziah.Finally, King Helseth's sister married the Altmer King of Firsthold.

The Septim era is the exception rather than the norm, note that the Septim Empire's multiculturalism was an exception to history which typically involved most of the races trying to kill eachother. Only the races within the same culture group (Altmer/Bosmer and Imperial/Nord/Breton) regularly intermingled.

As the Ohmes (or even Ohmes-Raht) look a lot like Mers, perhaps their physiology is not so different.

It matters what is on the inside as well.

Khajiit differ from humans and elves not only their skeletal and dermal physiology -- the “fur” that covers their bodies -- but their metabolism and digestion as well.