Anti-Communist Crusade

[Alexander Seil]

It seems to me that all German players are being overly stereotypical and consider it their duty to invade Poland, then go for the Allies.



Why???


Couldn't you seduce Poland and the Baltic States, keep the Allies happy by leaving the Czechs with no protective fortifications, but nominal independence, and invade the Soviet Union FIRST? Why go to war with the Allies until it is absolutely inevitable? And why not hand it to the Soviets before they are ready for war?

 

[Vharzul]

lol funny question, dont realy know the asnwer i just love playing my country hehe, besides that i like playing the bad guys in any game!

 

[Alexander Seil]

Think outside the box Germany lost the war - why follow in its steps?

 

[Vharzul]

Think outside the box Germany lost the war - why follow in its steps?

TRuly dont know i can see far beyond a box hehe, my prefrences in all WW2 games and WW1 games is to play Germany, or Japan lol, rarely do i play Allies unless its an FPS game and even then i got Axis 95% of the time!

Just a funny thing realy to me it is... not sure about others.

 

[unmerged(19673)]

It seems to me that all German players are being overly stereotypical and consider it their duty to invade Poland, then go for the Allies.



Why???


Couldn't you seduce Poland and the Baltic States, keep the Allies happy by leaving the Czechs with no protective fortifications, but nominal independence, and invade the Soviet Union FIRST? Why go to war with the Allies until it is absolutely inevitable? And why not hand it to the Soviets before they are ready for war?

Im only a modest HOI player, but my gues is there are a number of reasons:

1. HOI is not like EU2, where you lead a nation through history. HOI is where you lead a nation through war, thus the axis obviously have to be at war with the allies and/or communists. The axis will eventually have to be fighting the allies, so why not go through poland and gain some easy territory to spark the war?

2. If the germany invaded the soviet union, then the allies would only have to waite until most of the german forces were in russia, then invade germany while its dfenses are at its lowest.


No doubt my assessment is incorrect; in which case it should be ignored

 

[unmerged(19673)]

Think outside the box Germany lost the war - why follow in its steps?

Historically Germany lost the war, and for many people the object of these games is to alter history. By playing Germany, they can work their hardest and meet this goal. Why play england when you know your suppose to win? Its funner to be germany and change the world

 

[Alexander Seil]

You don't *have* to be at war. Barring France/Britain becoming dictatorships, if Germany keeps its profile low, they would be unable to do anything to you. Meanwhile, you could just as well smash SU. I do not see what is so *obvious* about Germany having to do this or that. That's just silly.

Philipp, you're missing my point. Germany does not have to do what it did historically. Hence "changing the world" part.

 

[unmerged(5383)]

You are thinking of the Eastern Crusade option. I might have to try that, when I get my copy. As I recall, there was(and is) a TOAW(The Operational Art of War) scenario wherein one of the possibilities was to have the Axis attempt an Eastern Crusade. Needless to say, this was extremely unlikely, but could occur.

 

[Alexander Seil]

Indeed - that's where I shamelessly lifted the idea from. Still though, if Germany "behaves", there should be such a possibility. The question is whether, of course, a victory against SU is possible in principle, but that is a different matter.

 

[Dadaan]

Not *having* to go to war in HOI, usually equals *having* a boring game...

 

[Wolf52]

Well, if you dont invade poland you will have no territory to invade the soviets from...

 

[Alexander Seil]

That's why you ally with them, instead of invading.

 

[unmerged(5383)]

Well, if Germany times the invasion to happen during the Winter War, a large mass of Soviet forces would be tied down in Finland. Of course, there is the corresponding disadvantage of winter, but hey, it's a start.

 

[Wolf52]

Of course, given hoi 1's system (not sure if it holds true in hoi2) all conquered territory will go to poland.

 

[Aetius]

The allies might hit you in the back, presuming that you declared war on the Soviet Union. Of course by then France and UK might have caught up with your doctrines etc...

 

[unmerged(30762)]

I always follow the historical path in terms of who I kill first. Its how i condict those wars that I change outcomes.

 

[Alexander Seil]

There's now a negotiation system for trading territories and such - I am not sure if this applies to occupied provinces, though.

As for the Allies hitting you in the back...to do so, they have to DoW you first. If you leave the Czechs in existence, and perhaps even Austria, I do not think that either your relations, or your belligerence, would be bad enough to give them that opportunity. Granted, they could guarantee SU, but that's not bound to happen.

 

[unmerged(11874)]

The allies might hit you in the back, presuming that you declared war on the Soviet Union. Of course by then France and UK might have caught up with your doctrines etc...

In HoI1 once, playing as Germany, I was taken by surprise by a Soviet invasion of Poland in 1938. For one--Poland wouldn't ally with me. For two--when I declared war on the Soviets, the Allies declared war on me about a month or two later.

Hopefully, that sort of instance, not implausible in the beginning but ridiculous with Britain and France invading me when I was defending Europe against the agressor, can be better managed in this game.

 

[Narug]

In reality, wouldn't Britain and France have liked nothing better than to see communism and facism destroy eachother?

Afaik, The Brits viewed Hitler as a tool against communism at a point, no?

So if you go on an Eastern crusade you could perhaps even expect support from the west.

 

[Spruce]

So if you go on an Eastern crusade you could perhaps even expect support from the west.

I guess some xmas card,