answers about the peninsula

[pcongre]

I aint no expert, but ill do my best answering the questions i found in http://www.angel.ne.jp/~france/EU/maps/8.html

I agree with you and alvaro that san sebastian should be euskadi's city, but euskadi should of course be named 'País Vasco' and not vascongadas.

I think that if you're gonna name north castilla 'Castilla la vieja'('old castilla', the name it had when Franco was the boss), then southern Castilla -actual name:Castilla La Mancha- should be named 'Castilla la nueva'('new castilla', name it had when blablabla). Another solution is to give the actual names, ie Castilla La Mancha and Castilla León. Anyway in that period it was just 'castilla', so you could just name it north and south castilla

No, i dont think the mountains there in extremadura could obstruct much armies. I can tell, ive been living there for some years.

About sierra morena: i dont know what to say, because it depends. From Andalucia's side it may be pretty impressive, and hard to pass, but from castilla they are like a depression, because Castilla's like suspended and in a plane, if you know what i mean. I think you do, cause you wrote that first you were going to make castilla a mountainous region and now with the mountain rule you dont need to.(at least martin knows what im talking about.. or not.. )

I dont think valencia and catalunya should be separated with mountains, instead, you could use the ebro as frontier and partition aragón as martin wrote

i dont know what to say about the balears.. they certainly are pretty low, but you cant put a desert or a plane either..

I agree with all the other propositions, and think you're doing a great job. The original map -not yours, the ones ive seen on screenshots- werent good at all.
Keep on doing such a good job!!

PS erhaps you could put the national names-not statal- on EU2?!?

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Originally posted by pcongre:
PS: perhaps you could put the national names-not statal- on EU2?!?

I could be a great idea but ... it will be (perhaps ) difficult for somebody who is not accustomed to certain local names to recognize them.

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[pcongre]

However, i guess that ill be too absorbed playing eu that i wont care about bugging you with my nationalist beliefs

PS: (about the map)is castilla going to be partitioned in 4?


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Pcongre

'I agree with you and alvaro that san sebastian should be euskadi's city, but euskadi should of course be named 'País Vasco' and not vascongadas.'

This will be done.

'I think that if you're gonna name north castilla 'Castilla la vieja'('old castilla', the name it had when Franco was the boss), then southern Castilla -actual name:Castilla La Mancha- should be named 'Castilla la nueva'('new castilla', name it had when blablabla). Another solution is to give the actual names, ie Castilla La Mancha and Castilla León. Anyway in that period it was just 'castilla', so you could just name it north and south castilla'.

So in 1492 for instance, nobody ever talked about Castilla la Vieja (or any synonymous) and Nueva ? That's surprising, but you know it better than me. Then I should of course change these names. Btw, South and North Castilla is english ; could you propose spanish translations ? Thanks in advance. I will anyway keep la Mancha as a separated province, because it was in the initial BG and the Castilla la Nueva is already big enough.

'No, i dont think the mountains there in extremadura could obstruct much armies. I can tell, ive been living there for some years.'

OK

'About sierra morena: i dont know what to say, because it depends. From Andalucia's side it may be pretty impressive, and hard to pass, but from castilla they are like a depression, because Castilla's like suspended and in a plane, if you know what i mean. I think you do, cause you wrote that first you were going to make castilla a mountainous region and now with the mountain rule you dont need to.(at least martin knows what im talking about.. or not.. )'

So I will keep Sierra Morena, with doubt of course.

'I dont think valencia and catalunya should be separated with mountains, instead, you could use the ebro as frontier and partition aragón as martin wrote'

Ok, that also is going to be done.

'PS erhaps you could put the national names-not statal- on EU2?!? '

I have answered this on the other topic 'an improved map'. I think it's a misunderstanding about the target of this map.

'(about the map)is castilla going to be partitioned in 4?'

If you mean Leon, Castilla la Vieja, Castilla la Nueva and Mancha, yes. But what do you say about Extremadura and Andalucia. The definition (and size) of Castilla can be very different (for instance, the kingdom of Castilla). Of course, you know that.

Thanks for the point-by-point critic, I know it's always a heavy work, but that's the best way to advance.

Regards

Raphael

 

[pcongre]

Sorry there was some misunderstanding from my side about the years..
Of course if its going to be played from 1492, you were doing absolutely right about the castillan names.
Im quite new(only 4-5 days) and i didnt remember it was from this date, but of course I should have noticed that navarra was conquered and castilla and aragon already 'were one country'(?)
Sorry for that again

'If you mean Leon, Castilla la Vieja, Castilla la Nueva and Mancha, yes. But what do you say about Extremadura and Andalucia. The definition (and size) of Castilla can be very different (for instance, the kingdom of Castilla). Of course, you know that.'

I asked about castilla because i thought you were going to either use the actual divisions or use castilla as one region, as a kingdom, but I surprisingly enough saw that you were making sub divisions in castilla. I think that's good: just two castillas or one castilla would be too big compared with the other regions of europe, it wouldnt make sense. I think Extremadura and Andalucia are quite appropriate as they are.

'I have answered this on the other topic 'an improved map'. I think it's a misunderstanding about the target of this map.'

Sorry for my inexperience, i dont know much about how all this works yet, partly because i dont manage to understand everything you write because my english is really poor as ive said in some other occasions(even using babylon )

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Hey Pcongre -

Your English is fine, and you appear to have a good grasp of Latin as well.

 

[pcongre]

dont know..
at least i dont get a thing when sapura writes his aar's(once again, if it wasnt for babylon, but i still miss a lot)

and the latin.. hm.. uh.. i think julius caesar was the one that said that wasnt he?

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Originally posted by pcongre:

and the latin.. hm.. uh.. i think julius caesar was the one that said that wasnt he?

Perhaps he did, but I thought the reference was to a South Park episode which guest stars Damien, the son of the devil. It was from the first season; since then the quality of SP has gone way down hill, IMHO.

 

[pcongre]

ive been using this signature for one year and youre the first one to realize: congrats!

(of course i mostly talk with catalano-speakers that havent seen sp in their whole lives and dont have any idea of latin)

 

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Yep, strategy games and cartoons... two of my favorite vices. I'd be more amazed that SP has spread to the far corners of the globe if I hadn't seen a picture of Cartman on a T-shirt when I was in Muenster, Germany earlier this month.

I take it that only the English version of SP is available in Catalunya? Do they use subtitles?

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Originally posted by Jiminov:
Yep, strategy games and cartoons... two of my favorite vices. I'd be more amazed that SP has spread to the far corners of the globe if I hadn't seen a picture of Cartman on a T-shirt when I was in Muenster, Germany earlier this month.

I take it that only the English version of SP is available in Catalunya? Do they use subtitles?

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I recall taking my brothers to children to France and to my amazement south park was on the television!(they used subtitles)

 

[Dark Knight]

Ahhh...the wonders of globalisation .

 

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Originally posted by Field_Marshal:
(they used subtitles)

ROFL

I'd love to see the French try to add subtitles for Kenny!

 

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Originally posted by Jiminov:
ROFL

I'd love to see the French try to add subtitles for Kenny!

They just used alot of dots.
ie '... .. ..... .... .'
it was rather disappionting.

 

[pcongre]

'I take it that only the English version of SP is available in Catalunya? Do they use subtitles?'

No, i dont think youll find any south park here(if you dont pay fer cabeltv, and thats pretty expensive here- anyway, they dont subtitle in here: since franco everything has been translated). I downloaded about twenty 35MB(god bless getright!)episodes from the net after seeing the blu film, and now i realize that the episodes are much better than the film

PS:i agree, the firsts are the good ones

PPS:isnt this kinda alittle off-topic orsumpthing? X)

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Originally posted by pcongre:
'I take it that only the English version of SP is available in Catalunya? Do they use subtitles?'

No, i dont think youll find any south park here(if you dont pay fer cabeltv, and thats pretty expensive here- anyway, they dont subtitle in here: since franco everything has been translated). I downloaded about twenty 35MB(god bless getright!)episodes from the net after seeing the blu film, and now i realize that the episodes are much better than the film

PS:i agree, the firsts are the good ones

PPS:isnt this kinda alittle off-topic orsumpthing? X)

Hola, Pcongre and all the other members of this forum. I have been away on holidays to England and I have just come back, hence my silence during these weeks. It is nice to find another Catalan in this forum. Benvingut!

Going back on the original topic... I have at home a book on 18th century Spain that contains a map with the administrative boundaries of the different regions in Spain, and 'Castilla la Vieja' and 'Castilla la Nueva' seem to be names that were already being used by then. A book entitled 'Imperial Spain 1469-1718' and written by J.H. Elliot also contains a map of Hapsburg Spain with the two aforementioned names for Castile. However, in both of these books 'Old Castile' is smaller than what it was during Franco's regime, because the cities of Valladolid and Palencia are included in Leon, not in Castile. Thus, I would say that 'Castilla la Vieja' and 'Castilla la Nueva' are quite good names for these parts of Spain.

Pcongre, you are right; in Spanish TV everything is translated into Spanish (or, as we call it here in Catalunya, 'Castilian'). Thank God we have TV3 and Canal33, the two Catalan TV channels, where everything is in Catalan but you are given the chance to listen to the programmes in their original languages!

I still have not had enough time to have a look at all the forum, but it seems that EU is going to be released soon. Hallelujah! And congratulations in advance to everybody for the, I am sure, good work done!

I will keep in touch. Kind regards to all.

Martin Cullell-Young