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I was wondering, am i the only one who thinks that EU3 is still awesome and a fully playable game all these years after? Honestly theres not a single game that can hold my attention for nearly as long as EU3 has.

Yes, yes, obviously im aware of EU4 being in development, but the thing is, 2013. right now sounds (possibly) too far away, might as well be 2020. it wouldnt "feel" any different.

So, this thread is basically meant to ask 2 questions; first one is directed at Paradox, second at the community, so here they are:

1.) Is there a theoretical possibility that you (Paradox, and whoever is in charge) would consider making another expansion for EU3? *At this point any "scale" expansion would be welcome, by me at least.*

2.) Do you guys (community) think that EU3 deserves another expansion, and what would you like to see (if anything at all), or do you think that they should focus on EU4 and let EU3 (kind of) die?

Personally (like i said) i think EU3 is still awesome, and its actually my top game ever. The only 2 things that sort of diminish its full value (over time) are some issues that still havent been fixed, and some new stuff that IMO at least, havent fit very well into EU3 base game, and obviously the lack of modding capabilities that we have in newer Paradox games. As far as im concerned, this theoretical expansion would only need to contain some kind of improvement of the horde system (i think thats the only thing that needs further development), the rest of the content could be engine optimization or expanded definies (or those .lua things) containing more exported stuff for us to mod. Its been very long (possibly even too long) and i think its about time we gain access to some of the core game mechanics, for example i see no reason why we shouldnt be able to mod relations cost when you dishonor alliance (or other parts of "harcodded" diplomacy), or some minor things that modify AI behavior (after X number of alliances dont accept any new ones, or whatever part of decisionmaking) etc. Something like that could add YEARS to (my) EU3 experience (without changing the fact that i will buy and play EU4 as well).

Another possibility that id like to think is an option, is porting parts of this new and improved engine (here i mostly mean EU3 getting any performance upgrades and stuff) or for instance the thing that makes provincial names display within provinces in that slightly curved way (CK2 and EU4 screenshots), instead of static positions that we have in EU3 right now. Im sure theres lots of other (seemingly?) "minor" things that could be ported from this new and improved Clausewitz.

Anyway, what do you guys think?
 

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While it would be nice to change the hordes, and maybe the shogunate, wouldn't this slow down development of eu4? I think I'd prefer eu4 to another expansion. Though I'm not a modder, so I don't know what you could do if you could change the hardcoded parts of the game.
 

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Why was my reply deleted?

Because I mentioned other non-Paradox games, such as X, Y, and Z...? :)

EDIT: Sorry, same thread different location... Reposting original reply:

" I totally agree: EU3 is still awesome. Only thing that can be improved is more modding flexibility, like direct effects of ending alliances, marriages, etc, and making heirs and rulers (age, dynasties, etc.) more easy to mod. So what does EU4 add, aside from new graphics (which is not my highest priority)? With this in mind, I can't understand that Paradox makes a new EU, instead of a new Rome (whose game play could really be developed further). Especially given Alea Jacta Est, Hegemony Rome, and Rome Total War 2. The interest in Rome is immense!"
 
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Would be great, but I doubt EU3 will get any more love than a finished 5.2...
 

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Sorry DC but I think all their attention should be towards making EU4 even better than EU3.

Although I'm sure you could incorporate any suggestions into your own mod. :cool:
 

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I'd love another EU3 expansion. However, EU4 is in the works, and as long as it ends up being a better game than EU3 + all expansions and truly builds upon them I'll consider EU4 to be the expansion to EU3. A good sequel does expand on it's predecessor.

I have my fingers crossed that Paradox won't do what Firaxis did: rewrite and gut a game so that the previous game in the franchise (Civ 4) was far superior and feature full than it's successor (Civ 5).

EU4 overall looks great so far based on what they've shown us and Paradox has said they are going to not do what Firaxis did and essentially build on EU3 + expansions. So far with the exception of the game time line it looks as if they are doing that. (Though I am disappointed that EU4 has a condensed timeline in comparison to EU3).
 

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Posting reply to original thread-

I don't think that it is very likely or intelligent on a business standpoint for Paradox. They are currently hard at work on EU IV and would have to divert their resources away from other projects to create another expansion. Furthermore, they have already released Chronicles which contains all the expansions (several fans were irritated that they released more expansions after their so called "Complete" edition). I would agree that they need to fix a few things as well as move 5.2 past Beta, and I also agree that they should give modders more options and open up some of the hard coding. But all this should be done in a FREE patch and not in an expansion.
 

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I would see some more patches. But not expansions.

Preferably debugging PUs (when king change via events/rebles/excomunication wired things happen), forcing AI to reduce inflation from time to time (BIGGEST reason why AI suck), making AI leave 1k siege force if it want to move doom stack after it besieged for 2y...

Lots of small housekeeping things.

Maybe last wishlist from mod community.

And that is pretty it.

Remember ALL human resources needed for Expansion are already used in development of EU4!
 

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The main problem with EU3 at this point is how badly the AI sucks. TBH I would happily wait an extra year for EU4 if it got me a vastly improved AI. Otherwise, it sounds like OP can become happy if he just considers EU4 the next expansion of EU3.
 

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The main problem with EU3 at this point is how badly the AI sucks. TBH I would happily wait an extra year for EU4 if it got me a vastly improved AI. Otherwise, it sounds like OP can become happy if he just considers EU4 the next expansion of EU3.

The only problem that i have with the concept of "all resources being put on EU4" is the "what if" scenario, to be specific, "what if EU4 doesnt turn out to be what i expected". For example, ive been a big fan of Hearts of Iron 2, played it for a very long time, and although i fully agree with the idea that HoI3 is the natural evolution of HoI2, that game to me simply isnt the same, and so i havent really played it. Furthermore, i actually ended up buying standalone/expansion (or whatever its called) thats based on HoI2, instead of HoI3, despite it being technologically older. Similarly to that, i dont wanna put all my hopes in EU4 - when its out and if its better than EU3 - to me - i will be happy to play it, but if that isnt so, i dont see why i wouldnt continue playing EU3, which is kind of why i started this topic. The way i see things (and im no programmer or anything like that), they have already developed many new stuff and have vastly improved the Clausewitz engine from EU3 DW time - from CK2 to EU4, and if its possible to port some of that technology (in other words make EU3 run with new stuff attached to its engine) than, again, the way i see it, it wouldnt be the same as them going into full expansion development, and if thats true, it also probably wouldnt need the same amount of manpower and resources to get it done (remember Sengoku, wasnt that whole game developed by a very small team?). In such scenario, an expansion like that, would a.) improve EU3 experience b.) bring additional money to Paradox and c.) if it comes like 6-9 months before EU4, probably wouldnt hurt its sales, i dont see why it should?
 

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if it comes like 6-9 months before EU4, probably wouldnt hurt its sales, i dont see why it should?
They would have to already be working on it now for such a release. The chances of another expansion are negligible.
 

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Anyone else also think that BIGGEST AI weakness is INFLATION HANDLING?

How can AI colonize if it need just 50% of its monthly income to get by! Or how can it upgrade tech. Or...

Always when its 1500 I visit all major AIs and lower their inflation to 0. And it work miracles. AIs are strong. Colonize (sea connected provinces) well, recruit good navies and strong armies.
 

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At the end of the day, EUIV is an expansion to EUIII, which was an expansion to EUII and so on ... At least, that's how I see it.
 

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Biggest AI weakness is surely a hotly contested title. I mean we are talking about an AI which is not even capable of moving its land maintenance slider to 100% and its troops to the appropriate border BEFORE declaring war. An AI which has trouble dealing with 3k rebels if they happen to be on the island right next to the one with the AIs 10k army. An AI which is incapable of coordinating armies from 2 different provinces to arrive in a 3rd province at the same time. Which builds massive armies just to disband them immediately.

Yes, the inflation is pretty bad, too.
 

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Biggest AI weakness is surely a hotly contested title. I mean we are talking about an AI which is not even capable of moving its land maintenance slider to 100% and its troops to the appropriate border BEFORE declaring war. An AI which has trouble dealing with 3k rebels if they happen to be on the island right next to the one with the AIs 10k army. An AI which is incapable of coordinating armies from 2 different provinces to arrive in a 3rd province at the same time. Which builds massive armies just to disband them immediately.

Yes, the inflation is pretty bad, too.
:D Good. But AI disband army cause have no cash to sustain bigger army. Better inflation handling should help. Oh and AI should NEVER pick options that give bigger inflation. .....
 

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While it would be nice to change the hordes, and maybe the shogunate, wouldn't this slow down development of eu4? I think I'd prefer eu4 to another expansion. Though I'm not a modder, so I don't know what you could do if you could change the hardcoded parts of the game.
DW could use patches or a whole extra expansion dedicated to fixing whatever that implemented
 

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Another contender for most horrible AI fail: it has no idea what it wants from a war. I'm currently playing a game where one of the AI daimyos has vassalized two of the others. The final holdout is down to 6 provinces. Every 5 years the dominant AI daimyo declares war without a CB... only to peace out shortly afterwards for a gain of 17 ducats or whatever, certainly not enough to pay for the stab hit it took in declaring war. Well, it's got about 170 years left to unite Japan, but I'm starting to doubt it will happen.