Announcing Europa Universalis IV: Common Sense

[chrnno]

Is there any summary of the new developpement system ?

I understand that it means, logically, that the Shetlands islands are less ''buildable'' than Antwerp, but short of that ?

Most of you are familiar with the concept of base tax. This permeates the game at so many fundamental levels, with everything from forcelimits to coring costs being coupled to this. We also had a value in a province that was called manpower. Trade-Goods produced was arcanely connected to the basetax, and there is not a single human being that could calculate how much manpower in a province actually

Now we have 3 separate values in a province called Base Tax, Base Production & Base Manpower.

Base Tax affects your monthly tax income as before, and also increases your defence against hostile spies.

Base Production impacts the amount of trade-goods produced in the province, and how quickly ships gets build in the province.

Each level of base manpower increased your nations maximum manpower by 250, and also impacts the garrison growth in the province, and how quickly regiments is recruited in that province.

All of them together is called “Development”, which describes how heavily populated and built up the province is. Each level of development increases the supply limit, forcelimits for your armies and navies and makes it harder to converts its religion.

Finally, the development level also allows you to be able to build more buildings in that province.

Wait?

What am I talking about here? Well, first of all, we have reduced the amount of possible buildings, as a large part were fillers. Secondly, we removed the power-cost for building buildings. And finally, not every province can have the same amount of buildings. Currently, a province can have 1 building as default, with some terrains like desert or mountains reducing it by 1, and some increasing it, like farmlands. And, every 10 development allows another building slot in a province. So Paris may be able to have 6 buildings in 1444, while Figuig can not support a single building.

Now you say that we haven’t really talked that much about wide versus tall, but bear with me.

You will be able to spend adm, dip or mil power to increase base tax, production and manpower respectively in a province, where of course the cost keep increasing, but if you dream about a 20 base tax Dublin, then you can do that Doing this in deserts or arctic climate is far more expensive than doing it in better climates. The ideas that affected build power costs, now affects the cost of improving your province. There is also technologies that decrease the cost of improving development in the later half of the game.

 

[Berlichingen]

I know you are a Swedish company, but that is an extremely idiotic name for a video game of almost any description outside some sort of puzzle platformer.

 

[theJalden]

That feeling when you realize you called the name of an expansion months ago

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/expansions-after-art-of-war.804019/

 

[Llama_Guy]

With focus leading to better development of provinces towards the late game will there be any efforts made towards bringing about a reflection of the industrial revolution? Tradegoods like coal, events relating to the social and economic effects of industrialization, and so on. It feels really poor at the moment, the late game is often very boring to play

Posted in the other and probably the wrong thread so I guess I can restate this here. I want something fun with the industrialization that should be taking place late-game. Producing coal and manufactored goods, the social and economic changes that permeated society in arguably the entire last century of the EU4 timeframe. Colonization of places that were previously not very prime for colonisation. And so on.
Where is it? I want it.

 

[Zelius]

I know you are a Swedish company, but that is an extremely idiotic name for a video game of almost any description outside some sort of puzzle platformer.

Maybe they should have put it in Latin, where it would be.... Sensus communis?
Because Latin is classy.

But actually it does make... sense... if you actually think about what the term means.

Though it's a bit awkward:

A: "Yay, my paycheck! Time to go to the steam store!"
B: "Great, what are you buying?"
A: "Common sense!"
B: "..."
"Well, good luck with that."

 

[dalekirk5885]

Comes out the day I get back from Turkey Noice

 

[eXistenZ2]

Fortress Rework, 3 new religions, new peace deals and screen, new looting ARE content. Are you kidding? Lmao. What do you want, half the game for free? In a total war game that would be a whole new game, (Napoleon Total War, Attila Total War).

I want a game that doenst turn out to be 300% more expensive than its base game.

I want a game that I can actually play at a complete stage without keeping on paying through my nose. Now after 6 months Art of War is finally somewhere on a -50% sale. But soon I'll be two dlc behind again.

I want not be insulted and dismissed because I'm a little bit critical of a company's actions, and because I dont have the full game. (If a company doesnt consider price a factor when customers purchase something, thats alarming). You know what the first reply was I got when I complained about the price of a full game? "go back to consoles". With an "argument" like that, how can you expect decent behaviour and normal discussion

I wanna be actually be able to learn the game I payed for, with mechanics that arent constantly changed (and as result a hopelessly outdated wiki and youtube tutorials).

Which of those requests is so absurd?

 

[Flush62]

Hopefully the parliament government won't be called an 'English Monarchy' like they said it would be in dev diary (unless I am mistaken). It should be Parliamentarian Monarchy or something along those lines, so that maybe nations can work towards having their own parliament if they so choose.

 

[brtzknf]

Hopefully the parliament government won't be called an 'English Monarchy' like they said it would be in dev diary (unless I am mistaken). It should be Parliamentarian Monarchy or something along those lines, so that maybe nations can work towards having their own parliament if they so choose.

English Monarchy is a new government form that England has from the beginning, however the parliament is open to every country that turns into a constitutional republic/monarchy (and maybe some other government forms)

 

[tyler45455]

a little of topic, but im doing an observer game and was wondering if eu iv runs in the background?

 

[Mudcrab]

Congratulations for not naming it "Common of Sense". Elsewhere ... "...fewer buildings..." and "unlock".

It has symptoms of consolitis, saints preserve us.

 

[Thure]

I want a game that doenst turn out to be 300% more expensive than its base game.

I want a game that I can actually play at a complete stage without keeping on paying through my nose. Now after 6 months Art of War is finally somewhere on a -50% sale. But soon I'll be two dlc behind again.

I want not be insulted and dismissed because I'm a little bit critical of a company's actions, and because I dont have the full game. (If a company doesnt consider price a factor when customers purchase something, thats alarming). You know what the first reply was I got when I complained about the price of a full game? "go back to consoles". With an "argument" like that, how can you expect decent behaviour and normal discussion

I wanna be actually be able to learn the game I payed for, with mechanics that arent constantly changed (and as result a hopelessly outdated wiki and youtube tutorials).

Which of those requests is so absurd?

Would you prefer expansions were you are forced to buy every expansion to get new patches? The system of paradox is great, because you are not forced to buy everything. You just buy what you want. But you still will be up to date. Would if be better to have a game with 3 expansions which each costs 40 Dollar/Euro at release? And this expansions are mostly smaller than the DLC expansions of EU4...

Hopefully the parliament government won't be called an 'English Monarchy' like they said it would be in dev diary (unless I am mistaken). It should be Parliamentarian Monarchy or something along those lines, so that maybe nations can work towards having their own parliament if they so choose.

I think English Monarchy is a own Government for England. Like the Dutch Republic.

 

[eXistenZ2]

Would you prefer expansions were you are forced to buy every expansion to get new patches? The system of paradox is great, because you are not forced to buy everything. You just buy what you want. But you still will be up to date. Would if be better to have a game with 3 expansions which each costs 40 Dollar/Euro at release? And this expansions are mostly smaller than the DLC expansions of EU4...

Except that I dont know any game that requires you to have an expansion to receive a free patch. Although I think there was an HoI game where you needed the latest expansion (I red this once, dont quote me on it). This is a bogus argument. No company requires you to buy more to receive a patch. So when Paradox doesnt do it, it is not special.

And talking about forcing. I am forced to buy a nation designer I absolutly do not want if i want the el dorado improvements. And I am not up to date. When I watch a guide, I can at least note down 10 things in twenty minutes that I cant do because I didnt buy two recent DLC's at full price.

And yes, I would prefer two or three big expansions in two years rather than this bimonthly piecemeal that just sets me further back; Civilization did this excellently.

 

[Thure]

Except that I dont know any game that requires you to have an expansion to receive a free patch. Although I think there was an HoI game where you needed the latest expansion (I red this once, dont quote me on it). This is a bogus argument. No company requires you to buy more to receive a patch. So when Paradox doesnt do it, it is not special.

And talking about forcing. I am forced to buy a nation designer I absolutly do not want if i want the el dorado improvements.

And yes, I would prefer two or three big expansions in two years rather than this bimonthly piecemeal that just sets me further back; Civilization did this excellently.

Ehem... Really? Never played HoI3? EU3? You don't get the new patches if you don't buy the next expansions. That's... basically what many games have...? Without the expansions you don't get the new patches and you can't play multiplayer for exemple, because your game is not up to date. Do you have EU3 vanilla? Nice... but your game will be not as patches as EU3 - Devine Wind. And you can't play multiplayer with the owner of Devine Wind, because he has a newer version of the game.

 

[eXistenZ2]

Ehem... Really? Never played HoI3? EU3? You don't get the new patches if you don't buy the next expansions. That's... basically what many games have...? Without the expansions you don't get the new patches and you can't play multiplayer for exemple, because your game is not up to date. Do you have EU3 vanilla? Nice... but your game will be not as patches as EU3 - Devine Wind. And you can't play multiplayer with the owner of Devine Wind, because he has a newer version of the game.

No it isnt... patches and updatesare for everybody. If they are not and require payment, they are not a patch, but dlc or an expansion
In TW for example, everybody will have the same version of the game. Some people are shut out of for example of factions or units, but that doesnt stop people from playing together. Same story for example Tropico 5, Endless Legend, or even Sonic All stars racing and AC MP(just browsing through my library). Having to buy additional content to receive a patch is NOT the standard.

Also, tyler. dont start to insult. And have a look at your own spelling mistakes first, since it's you're* a freaking moron.

Also I never said other games dont receive updates. I said that those updates and fixes are free without having to buy an expansion. that is what called a patch. If I need to have an expansion before I can receive a patch to something I already bought, that is misleading.

Just as selling two completly unrelated things (a nation designer and el dorado options) is tying

 

[Golladan]

No it isnt... patches and updatesare for everybody. If they are not and require payment, they are not a patch, but dlc or an expansion
In TW for example, everybody will have the same version of the game. Some people are shut out of for example of factions or units, but that doesnt stop people from playing together. Same story for example Tropico 5, Endless Legend, or even Sonic All stars racing and AC MP(just browsing through my library). Having to buy additional content to receive a patch is NOT the standard.

Also, tyler. dont start to insult. And have a look at your own spelling mistakes first, since it's you're* a freaking moron.

Also I never said other games dont receive updates. I said that those updates and fixes are free without having to buy an expansion. that is what called a patch. If I need to have an expansion before I can receive a patch to something I already bought, that is misleading.

Just as selling two completly unrelated things (a nation designer and el dorado options) is tying

Uhmm... Everyone receives the patch whether they buy the DLC or not. Buying the DLC simply unlocks the features. As for multiplayer, everyone gets access to whatever the host has access.

 

[tyler45455]

Uhmm... Everyone receives the patch whether they buy the DLC or not. Buying the DLC simply unlocks the features. As for multiplayer, everyone gets access to whatever the host has access.

someone that see the light, thank you for helping enlighten those that insist on complaining about paradox doing what every game developer does.

 

[eXistenZ2]

Uhmm... Everyone receives the patch whether they buy the DLC or not. Buying the DLC simply unlocks the features. As for multiplayer, everyone gets access to whatever the host has access.

Which has been the standard for years in video games. But you yourself said that EU3 and HoI didnt use to do it. So when paradox reverts to the standard, there is absolutly no reason to give them praise for that, its common sense.

Note that I absolutly wasnt the one that said "would you like to be forced to buy expansions to get patches". But offcours thats irrelevant when the main objective (divert the attention of the other points made) has been achieved.

At least you did it without swearing, that's something

 

[IconOfEvi]

Some people think representative government is for weaklings

Now they can count their days

 

[Golladan]

Which has been the standard for years in video games. But you yourself said that EU3 and HoI didnt use to do it. So when paradox reverts to the standard, there is absolutly no reason to give them praise for that, its common sense.

Note that I absolutly wasnt the one that said "would you like to be forced to buy expansions to get patches". But offcours thats irrelevant when the main objective (divert the attention of the other points made)

I never said anything about EU3 and HoI. That was someone else.

I do not know what Paradox did for EU3 or HoI. But for EU4, since release, every major patch has been free. Most major patches have also been released alongside a DLC that unlock stuff that is actually already on your computer because of the patch. There is sometimes some stuff tied to a DLC that is not added to the patch, but this is almost always unit models, music, and event pictures.