Announcing Europa Universalis IV: Common Sense

[TheDarkMaster]

Free patch:
-Base development/building rework
-Fortress rework
-Looting rework
-Committed armies
-Forcelimit change
-Map changes
-Buddhism split
-Peace overhaul
-Will definitely have more stuff not yet revealed

That's about what I thought when I posted my original message. I haven't seen anything yet that really feels like it will change the game in the free patch, it's all just balance stuff that I could totally see happening in a much smaller patch (effectively with gameplay, I know that the change to the development and building system completely reworked the province systems). I guess the only real big change is the building system, but I'd prefer the old building system if I can't develop my provinces without the DLC. Now I can't improve provinces across the board at all and how many buildings I can actually build in any given province will be permanently limited if I don't get the DLC. That doesn't make sense, it's taking functionality away from the players that don't get the DLC.

I can't see the building rework and dynamic development work as separate features, they have to be together. Either give us free development, or make the building rework a part of the DLC.

Then we run into the problem that there are no free features that actually change the game beyond small balance changes.

EDIT: I guess the new building system could maybe work if all provinces have an equal building limit without the DLC?

 

[Golladan]

Now I can't improve provinces across the board at all

Well you can, since buildings will follow something of an "upgrade" system where you can replace a lower level building with a higher level one.

 

[TheDarkMaster]

Well you can, since buildings will follow something of an "upgrade" system where you can replace a lower level building with a higher level one.

That's not my point. My point is that before I could build all building trees in one province if I wanted to. With the new system, low development, poor climate provinces are limited to only one building. To increase the limit on the number of buildings you can build in one province, you have to develop it, which you can't do without the DLC. In addition, you use to be able to develop all provinces with things like temples, armories, shipyards, to produce the same effect as development will have now, without any limits (other then only one set of level 5/6 buildings). Now, you'll be able to do one or two of those things in each province, but doing so stops you from building forts and other buildings. Again, that's without the DLC.

If you do have the DLC, you can actually develop your provinces in much more interesting ways then before, as well as truly change some of the early low quality tribal lands into rich cities. Without, you can't even do most of the moderate improvements that were previously available, or at least not the full breadth that was available. I can't turn one province into a massive metropolis anymore unless it started the game with a very high development score.

 

[eXistenZ2]

Updating from the list I made in a previous diary thread. Note that this is based on what the developers have told us. Not what I am assuming.


Free patch:
-Base development/building rework
-Fortress rework
-Looting rework
-Committed armies
-Forcelimit change
-Map changes
-Buddhism split
-Peace overhaul
-Will definitely have more stuff not yet revealed

These are all game updates, not "free content" like Paradox likes to claim. Patches where you rebalance the game are NOT content, they are part of the service, like with any game company.

And thats why a patch cant be free

 

[Deathlinger]

The name sounds too... Farage for me

 

[Shimohi]

My biggest worry is the monarch point bottle-neck for non-western countries. Maybe development should have it own currency/resource to use ..

 

[Lamahorse]

It would be nice if there were alternative ways to generate monarch points.

 

[Zylathas]

The name sounds too... Farage for me

One can never be too Farage, I would say not Farage enough. But that's a discussion for another time.

Common Sense is the name because of an important "book" by Thomas Paine, every EU IV DLC has been named after a book so ofcourse this isn't going to be an exception.

 

[Nucky]

I haven't seen anything yet that really feels like it will change the game in the free patch

The fortress system maybe? Warfare will be completely different, that's more than balance.

The limitation to buildings in small development/bad climate areas can be seen as balance in my opinion. Having the possibility to increase development in the extension feels natural to me.

 

[cmburns88]

Amazing improvements to the game, but God, please, change that name! Something like Magna Carta or other works of Thomas Paine, Rights of Man or Age or Reason sounds much more like the new content and cooler.

 

[CyaN]

This expansion looks sort of... right. Honestly I stopped playing EUIV a long time ago because it did not seem to be the game for me, but some of the announced features have actually piqued my interest. Maybe I'll give the game another chance after all.

 

[wdthrill]

These are all game updates, not "free content" like Paradox likes to claim. Patches where you rebalance the game are NOT content, they are part of the service, like with any game company.

And thats why a patch cant be free

Fortress Rework, 3 new religions, new peace deals and screen, new looting ARE content. Are you kidding? Lmao. What do you want, half the game for free? In a total war game that would be a whole new game, (Napoleon Total War, Attila Total War).

 

[Siddyus]

And so the waiting game begins...

 

[Apotato]

I want this so much

 

[thegreatuniter]

I really don't get all the people that complain about the price. I've never seen a game with so much replayability value. I've spent about 1200 hours in eu4, something i've never come close to with any other game. When i buy a dlc, it's 10/15 dollars for 100 or more hours of fun. That's a hell of a deal!

 

[FrostPegasus]

I want, nay, I need, the music used in this trailer. Really.

 

[Jokolytic]

Paradox’s Common Sense won’t tear down the pretensions of monarchy like Paine’s did

Even Americans know Thomas Paine was a propagandist. I know Sweden isn't the shining example of tradition in the modern world but I was hoping they would hold still a smidgen of respect for their ancient kingdom.

 

[Montem]

I don't see why everyone is so hung up on "Common Sense" (especially since we have 2 or 3 more dev diaries. I do know the AP US and Euro exams along with VE day were today which is fun. Also the fact that "El Dorado" had nothing to do with cities of gold, or rather, it was a very minor feature.

 

[DC123456789]

Yes

That's kind of disappointing. You're only really giving us half the system in the patch, with the other half locked in the DLC. Either make it all free or all DLC, but not split awkwardly like that.

Any localisation in us for parliament name being Senate or House of Representatives?

I think I recall them saying something like that in the dev diary thread.

 

[BaronNoir]

Is there any summary of the new developpement system ?

I understand that it means, logically, that the Shetlands islands are less ''buildable'' than Antwerp, but short of that ?