Announcing Clio : A new map for Victoria : Revolutions

[OHgamer]

the provinces that are in base Victoria will still be in

Weihaiwei
Qingdao (aka Kiautschou)
Hong Kong
Lushun (aka Port Arthur)

+ Macao

Shanghai is also kind of in a treaty-port setup, though not actually turned over to a Western power.

beyond that, I'll leave to the discression of the China committee

 

[JRaup]

THought I'd pop in and annoy OH and Xie a bit.

Took a look at Ireland (surprise, surprise), and have a few comments...

First off, ideally I'd have liked to have seen all 32 counties implemented, but know the in game limitations all too well.

Now as for suggestions/comments...

On provinces:
1. Split Belfast in two, with a Northern and Southern portion. The North would remian Belfast (Antrim), the South would be Newry (Down). A bit of the slightly misnamed Armagh could be peeled off and added to Newry.
2. Sligo should be split as well, making the NW coast Donegal. This would allow for a better economic model, better POP distribution, and allow for a historical 9 county Ulster to appear on map with more or less correct borders.
3. Armagh would be better named Tyrone, given the on map border. Londonderry should just be Derry, seeing as you're renaming Salisbury to Harare.
4. The Cork border should be extended East somewhat, as the current provincial border doesn't really include the city of Cork. The line needs to be just East of the "notch" on the Southern coast.
5. The Western Wexford "bulge" into Waterford should be reduced. This would more than cover the "lost" territory to Cork.

 

[OHgamer]

THought I'd pop in and annoy OH and Xie a bit.

Took a look at Ireland (surprise, surprise), and have a few comments...

First off, ideally I'd have liked to have seen all 32 counties implemented, but know the in game limitations all too well.

Now as for suggestions/comments...

On provinces:
1. Split Belfast in two, with a Northern and Southern portion. The North would remian Belfast (Antrim), the South would be Newry (Down). A bit of the slightly misnamed Armagh could be peeled off and added to Newry.
2. Sligo should be split as well, making the NW coast Donegal. This would allow for a better economic model, better POP distribution, and allow for a historical 9 county Ulster to appear on map with more or less correct borders.
3. Armagh would be better named Tyrone, given the on map border. Londonderry should just be Derry, seeing as you're renaming Salisbury to Harare.
4. The Cork border should be extended East somewhat, as the current provincial border doesn't really include the city of Cork. The line needs to be just East of the "notch" on the Southern coast.
5. The Western Wexford "bulge" into Waterford should be reduced. This would more than cover the "lost" territory to Cork.

If you could whip up a quick map with suggested borders (just lines on map would be fine) so we can have a better idea.

And agree on the Sligo-Donegal issue.

 

[JRaup]

If you could whip up a quick map with suggested borders (just lines on map would be fine) so we can have a better idea.

And agree on the Sligo-Donegal issue.

I'll see what I can do. Probably won't be pretty, but you'll get the idea.

Oh, and a minor border adjustment in NY. Drop the southern border of Albany to be even with the southern edge of Mass. Just me being provincial, and being annoyed at the size of the NYC province.

 

[Gwalcmai]

Regarding that glimpse of northern Portugal:

Why does the Porto province bulge into the N part of Vila Real? That is the area of Chaves, and that is more closely connected to Vila Real, and part of its district (the district map has barely changed since the 1830s).

1 - Viana do Castelo;
2 - Braga;
3 - Porto;
4 - Vila Real;
5 - Bragança;
6 - Aveiro;
7 - Viseu;
8 - Guarda;
9 - Coimbra;
10 - Leiria;
11 - Castelo Branco;
12 - Lisboa;
13 - Santarém;
14 - Portalegre;
15 - Setúbal;
16 - Évora;
17 - Beja;
18 - Faro.

This is obviously not a proposal for province divisions, just food for thought.
I'd go
[(1, 2, 3), (4, 5), (7, 8)],
[(6, 9, 10), (11), (12, 13)],
[(14, 16), (15, 17), (18)],
with some tweaking of borders (say, part of 15 going to (12, 13)), which is not too far from how Paradox had it, only without blowing Abrantes up into relevance.

Another thing: Abrantes is a dump. Its only claim to fame is being roughly at the geographical centre of the territory, and for that reason being a somewhat popular choice for setting up the HQ of the military. It's only been considered a city since 1916, and nowadays has less than 20k people in it.

 

[OHgamer]

Gwalcmai

thanks for the ideas.

On Porto moving eastward - I was following the course of the Tamega River, as we are trying, where possible, to use natural borders as much as possible. And the base map I was using was a relief map, which did not have province boundaries. But if you think it would be better not to, will note to change it.

One ?, if not Abrantes for a province name, what would you recommend as a replacement city for the name of the region?

 

[JRaup]

Two images here. First shows my original proposed changes in red. Second shows a splitting of Armagh into two provinces, Armagh in the East, and the larger section being Tyrone/Fermanagh.

 

[OHgamer]

Two images here. First shows my original proposed changes in red. Second shows a splitting of Armagh into two provinces, Armagh in the East, and the larger section being Tyrone/Fermanagh.

Thanks.

Not sure about splitting eastern Ulster further, that may have to await to see how many spare tags we have at the end of the first run-through. The Sligo-Donegal split I've already factored in, and agree on the border shifts in the Cork-Waterford area.

 

[Gwalcmai]

Gwalcmai

thanks for the ideas.

On Porto moving eastward - I was following the course of the Tamega River, as we are trying, where possible, to use natural borders as much as possible. And the base map I was using was a relief map, which did not have province boundaries. But if you think it would be better not to, will note to change it.

I see. But the Tâmega isn't much of a natural border. Especially when compared to the other natural barriers in the area. The relief map probably gives an idea of what is at the N and S ends of that border, but if it doesn't, check out Google Earth (in fact, I'd say Google Earth would probably be a good tool for getting a feel for terrain everywhere when working on this).

One ?, if not Abrantes for a province name, what would you recommend as a replacement city for the name of the region?

That would depend on what land is covered by the province. The closest places of significance would be Portalegre, Castelo Branco and Santarém.

 

[unmerged(17581)]

Wow, I didn't even know this was going on! If I could have something I'd love to see a major reworking of East Africa.

 

[Gwalcmai]

Here's another map.

This one shows the "natural provinces" created in 1936. "Natural" because they supposedly were created with geography and ethnology in mind (the name "Trás os Montes" means "beyond the hills", by the way).

Amalgamating the "Minho" and "Douro Litoral" provinces and splitting "Ribatejo" between their neighbours would probably give a decent 9-province setup for Portugal. Probably named Porto, Bragança*, Coimbra, Viseu, Lisboa, Covilhã**, Évora, Beja, Faro.

* - Pet theory of mine. Vila Real and Bragança are probably about equaly important, and Bragança was the name of the ruling dinasty for most of the period. And it's a nicer name.
** - Although it is at the northern edge of the province, Covilhã has some things going for it as the province name: It's about as big as Castelo Branco, has been something of an industrial centre (textiles, mainly wool) for ages, and the name probably is easier to fit into the province.

 

[Francis II]

as far as I know, we can't toy with canals in the engine.

Did anyone look into this more? The possibility of a Nicaraguan Canal would realy enhance my Panama events. At the time, people also discussed a canal across the Isthmus of Tehuantepec, though I don't know how feasible it really was.

 

[OHgamer]

Did anyone look into this more? The possibility of a Nicaraguan Canal would realy enhance my Panama events. At the time, people also discussed a canal across the Isthmus of Tehuantepec, though I don't know how feasible it really was.

Can't be done - the mechanics for turning a land province into a canal are tied into the .exe, can not do any extra from what I have been told.

 

[Francis II]

Can't be done - the mechanics for turning a land province into a canal are tied into the .exe, can not do any extra from what I have been told.

Oh, well. I like the way the rest of this is going, but the only input I had to add was the canal and a plea to split up the Caribbean island, which someone else also addressed. I like the ideas floating around about N.Am. provinces. I didn't notice anything wrong with them at first, but now that everyone's talking about it, I'm glad you're making the changes.

 

[OHgamer]

Oh, well. I like the way the rest of this is going, but the only input I had to add was the canal and a plea to split up the Caribbean island, which someone else also addressed. I like the ideas floating around about N.Am. provinces. I didn't notice anything wrong with them at first, but now that everyone's talking about it, I'm glad you're making the changes.

Yeah additional canals would be nice, but not doable at this point.

how much detail will be possible in the (especially Eastern) Caribbean remains to be seen - hoping for more detail but there are so many small islands crowded together that some will invariably have to be left out.

 

[unmerged(49083)]

Are you making North American provinces mre curved? I hate it at the moment when they are all straight(ish).

 

[Gen. Skobelev]

Looks fantastic! I do have one question about sea provinces, though: will traveling through Mediterranean and Suez Canal be much faster than around Africa after the sea provinces are merged?

 

[OHgamer]

Are you making North American provinces mre curved? I hate it at the moment when they are all straight(ish).

Are you referring to the maps that we have posted, or to the original Victoria map?

 

[OHgamer]

Looks fantastic! I do have one question about sea provinces, though: will traveling through Mediterranean and Suez Canal be much faster than around Africa after the sea provinces are merged?

will have to be tested, at this point can not say.

 

[Gen. Skobelev]

will have to be tested, at this point can not say.

Ok, I was just curious. Traveling faster around Africa than through Suez always bugged me as it completely removed the strategic importance of Egypt...