Epaminondas said:
Howdy Epi!
Wander over to http://hoi.coremod.org and sign up! A few other RTW vets over there, who will be very happy to see you. Inlcluding a certain Cap'n who misses you terribly...
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Howdy Epi!
Wander over to http://hoi.coremod.org and sign up! A few other RTW vets over there, who will be very happy to see you. Inlcluding a certain Cap'n who misses you terribly...
The Flying Tigers
Could The Flying Tiger be involved as an Event that creates US Mustangs sent to Nationalist China 2 months after the pitman act, While playing as US or Nationalist China, I think that be so kewl, To check out the history of the Flying Tigers check out there website.
Could The Flying Tiger be involved as an Event that creates US Mustangs sent to Nationalist China 2 months after the pitman act, While playing as US or Nationalist China, I think that be so kewl, To check out the history of the Flying Tigers check out there website.
Flying Tigers COntinued
Here the link to the flying tigers to help...
http://www.flyingtigersavg.com/
Here the link to the flying tigers to help...
http://www.flyingtigersavg.com/
oakleythesmall said:
Greetings!
Fear not, the Flying Tigers, and related issues with China will make it into CORE. It will involve most of Chenneault's efforts, along with those by TV Soong, as well as the AVG in China..
other parts of history
If you guys want I can help with the history part of the game, since thats all i like to study about anyway, I am glad to here you are adding the flying tigers and the AVG to the US and National China. I also like to ask what about the French Foreign Legion in the Middle East fighting the turks on the behalf of british Suadi Arabia. Turk where a minority in the Axis Power.
If you guys want I can help with the history part of the game, since thats all i like to study about anyway, I am glad to here you are adding the flying tigers and the AVG to the US and National China. I also like to ask what about the French Foreign Legion in the Middle East fighting the turks on the behalf of british Suadi Arabia. Turk where a minority in the Axis Power.
oakleythesmall said:
I'm not sure what you're referring to in the last part of your post. FFL fighting the Turks with the Brits? Not in WW2. Perhaps you're thinking of WW1 and the Middle East campaign against the Ottomans? Turkey was a neutral nation in WW2. Or are you referring to the campaign of intervention in Vichy Syria and Lebanon?
Now i know we had a big discussion about it (or was that another mod?) but will Heydrich make it into the mod? Yes or no is suffice
Ffl
it was an issue of intervention, and i beleave it was the turks, I can re-look up my textbooks. But I do know the FFL during WW2 fought on behalf of the brits when france surrender to the fascist. It one of those little side stories of the war.
it was an issue of intervention, and i beleave it was the turks, I can re-look up my textbooks. But I do know the FFL during WW2 fought on behalf of the brits when france surrender to the fascist. It one of those little side stories of the war.
Veers said:Now i know we had a big discussion about it (or was that another mod?) but will Heydrich make it into the mod? Yes or no is suffice
No.
oakleythesmall said:
Well, the Legion reacted somewhat oddly following the fall of France. Some units did go over to the Free French forces, but others remained effectively neutral, remaining at their posts, but supporting neither Vichy or the governmnent in exile. Legion units in Algeria, Tunisia, Djibouti, all took orders from Vichy, but refused to participate in any actions agianst Free France, or the Allies. It's not until FF control is re-established over those areas that the Legion moves solidly to the FF cause. This is not to ignore Legion units that fought for FF from June 1940, such as those in North Africa, and units that particpated in the intervention in the Levant, or supported British operations in Ethiopia and Iraq.
Will Sweden still be among the nations displayed with the CORE banner? If so, may i ask why? Although there are a lot of Swedish people working on CORE does the title not say "Dedicated to the millions that lost their lives defending their countries?" Acording to this text, Sweden is wrongfully shown there.
Veers, as I understand the logic behind your question I do not agree with it. As a country Sweden was not an active part in the war.
However, we in Sweden were still affected by the war. Some thousand sailors died on swedish ships transporting resources, swedes fought and died in Finland, Norway, etc...
We did not die defending our own country, but a lot of us surely died defending other peoples countries. Fortunately my family was blessed with not loosing any family member to the war but a lot of my friends have great-grandfathers, grandfathers and uncles that laid down their lives.
However, we in Sweden were still affected by the war. Some thousand sailors died on swedish ships transporting resources, swedes fought and died in Finland, Norway, etc...
We did not die defending our own country, but a lot of us surely died defending other peoples countries. Fortunately my family was blessed with not loosing any family member to the war but a lot of my friends have great-grandfathers, grandfathers and uncles that laid down their lives.
Koeppen said:
Koeppen is quite correct. And this not only applies to Sweden, but to other nations such as Ireland, several South and Latin American nations, and a few others.
I still belive it is a shame that Yugoslavia is not represented on the flags. Yugoslavia lost 300.000 soldiers and 1.3 million civilians. Now although a few thousend swedes died, wouldn't this rank higher? And Chezch, 20.000 soldiers and 330.000 civilians. Austria. 230.000 soldiers and 80.000 civilians. I just think its a shame that all these countries aren't listed and instead we have a country that wasn't even involved with the actual fighting.
Cheers Veers
Cheers Veers
I don't think it was a good idea to make this dedication with some flags behind it.
about the SS
There is currently a great series about the SS running on the History Channel...I saw about 4 episodes yesterday. I am also a huge WW2 history buff, so I know some of this from other sources as well.
Basically, the "SS" was originally recruited from mostly very young men and teenagers. They came from all everyday walks of life...butchers, bakers, candlestick makers. The ONLY entry requirements for the original "Totenkopf" SS (death's head) was absolute allegiance to the Fuhrer and the lack of conscience that was required to brutalize and murder untold millions. Put on the black uniform, the red swastika armband, and the Totenkopf cap and suddenly you were a part of the "master race" and had absolute power over anyone deemed "subhuman" by the Fuhrer. One survivor who had served as a "personal assistant" (slave) to an SS officer described the transformation: the officer would wake up each morning in his boxers...a short, pudgy, out of shape young man with essentially zero military training or ability. Then the black uniform went on, then the red armband, and finally the Totenkopf cap and suddenly he became a sharp-looking professional soldier (professional murderer in reality). Civilians came to be awed by SS divisions marching through the streets in lock-step; of course, most were completely unaware of the daily job of an SS man...genocide. It should be obvious by now that I am no rascist or fascist, but in my opinion the Germans in WW2 had the most kickass uniforms and ceremony in the history of armed forces. The "boys" in the black uniforms were like "little Fuhrers" that had no restrictions on what they could do to those poor people, and that created the power and commanded the respect of the SS.
After the blitzkrieg swept across Eastern Europe, the SS would follow up by going village to village -- always on horses. There they carried out the harsh and inhumane policies of the Fuhrer. Initially, the condemned were lined up single file and were made to dig their own graves. Then they were shot in the head. This eventually led to the inevitable amongst those in the SS death squads that still held on to a shred of conscience. Soon it was common for SS soldiers to take their shot at the condemned and then turn their weapons around and shoot themselves. This is why they came up with "the final solution". To correct this increasing trend among the members of the death squads they started shipping the condemned to concentration camps where they were systematically gassed to death and subsequently incinerated. This way was was much more impersonal. The men who dumped the Zyklon-B into the ventilation systems of the buildings never even saw those that were killed. Jews and others who were healthy enough took care of the dirty work and the role of the SS soldier became the "chooser". When the condemned were unloaded from the trains they filed through SS officers who would point either one way (to the gas chambers) or the other (to the slave pool). The SS retained their power to decide life or death, but no longer were directly exposed to the indescribable mass murder that was going on.
Moving on...over the next couple of years certain SS men actually did demonstrate some military skill and leadership potential. These were placed in command of actual wehrmacht soldiers with some real combat ability. So, if your commander was SS then the whole unit became an SS division. This marks the critical point in the evolution from common thug to highly competent and fiercly loyal units (mostly Panzer and Tiger tank divisions). Up until the ridiculous Abrams raids through Iraq, there has been no more dreadfully devastating force than the armor divisions of the Waffen SS. Fortunately, the Americans outnumbered what was left of the Western front. Recognizing and removing the incompetence of Montgomery after operation "Market Garden" along with brilliant leadership like Patton sealed the fate of the "master race". Like I said...cool uniforms and tanks, very bad ideology.
I hope that didn't bore you, I will end it here...lol
metto said:
There is currently a great series about the SS running on the History Channel...I saw about 4 episodes yesterday. I am also a huge WW2 history buff, so I know some of this from other sources as well.
Basically, the "SS" was originally recruited from mostly very young men and teenagers. They came from all everyday walks of life...butchers, bakers, candlestick makers. The ONLY entry requirements for the original "Totenkopf" SS (death's head) was absolute allegiance to the Fuhrer and the lack of conscience that was required to brutalize and murder untold millions. Put on the black uniform, the red swastika armband, and the Totenkopf cap and suddenly you were a part of the "master race" and had absolute power over anyone deemed "subhuman" by the Fuhrer. One survivor who had served as a "personal assistant" (slave) to an SS officer described the transformation: the officer would wake up each morning in his boxers...a short, pudgy, out of shape young man with essentially zero military training or ability. Then the black uniform went on, then the red armband, and finally the Totenkopf cap and suddenly he became a sharp-looking professional soldier (professional murderer in reality). Civilians came to be awed by SS divisions marching through the streets in lock-step; of course, most were completely unaware of the daily job of an SS man...genocide. It should be obvious by now that I am no rascist or fascist, but in my opinion the Germans in WW2 had the most kickass uniforms and ceremony in the history of armed forces. The "boys" in the black uniforms were like "little Fuhrers" that had no restrictions on what they could do to those poor people, and that created the power and commanded the respect of the SS.
After the blitzkrieg swept across Eastern Europe, the SS would follow up by going village to village -- always on horses. There they carried out the harsh and inhumane policies of the Fuhrer. Initially, the condemned were lined up single file and were made to dig their own graves. Then they were shot in the head. This eventually led to the inevitable amongst those in the SS death squads that still held on to a shred of conscience. Soon it was common for SS soldiers to take their shot at the condemned and then turn their weapons around and shoot themselves. This is why they came up with "the final solution". To correct this increasing trend among the members of the death squads they started shipping the condemned to concentration camps where they were systematically gassed to death and subsequently incinerated. This way was was much more impersonal. The men who dumped the Zyklon-B into the ventilation systems of the buildings never even saw those that were killed. Jews and others who were healthy enough took care of the dirty work and the role of the SS soldier became the "chooser". When the condemned were unloaded from the trains they filed through SS officers who would point either one way (to the gas chambers) or the other (to the slave pool). The SS retained their power to decide life or death, but no longer were directly exposed to the indescribable mass murder that was going on.
Moving on...over the next couple of years certain SS men actually did demonstrate some military skill and leadership potential. These were placed in command of actual wehrmacht soldiers with some real combat ability. So, if your commander was SS then the whole unit became an SS division. This marks the critical point in the evolution from common thug to highly competent and fiercly loyal units (mostly Panzer and Tiger tank divisions). Up until the ridiculous Abrams raids through Iraq, there has been no more dreadfully devastating force than the armor divisions of the Waffen SS. Fortunately, the Americans outnumbered what was left of the Western front. Recognizing and removing the incompetence of Montgomery after operation "Market Garden" along with brilliant leadership like Patton sealed the fate of the "master race". Like I said...cool uniforms and tanks, very bad ideology.
I hope that didn't bore you, I will end it here...lol
Core for HOI2!!
Steel: You guys are great and are appriciated, right in there beneath Johann and the Swedes!! Nighty and the three stooges are also appreciated but not on the same levels. You are dragging your feet, 1.2 is now out and we have nothing from you! I know it will be done when you are satisfied it is done well! That is great but come on lets get it on guys!!
Steel: You guys are great and are appriciated, right in there beneath Johann and the Swedes!! Nighty and the three stooges are also appreciated but not on the same levels. You are dragging your feet, 1.2 is now out and we have nothing from you! I know it will be done when you are satisfied it is done well! That is great but come on lets get it on guys!!
Whit_Liggett,
Very good points. It's good to see things presented in the proper perspective.
CB
Very good points. It's good to see things presented in the proper perspective.
CB
tagwyn: funnily enough Steel, myself and at least another CORE member are Swedes as well. Guess we're just so damn good.
I think we can safely say that things are beginning to shape up a bit, even if we most likely won't see a release for another couple of weeks at least. That's just my guesstimate, though.
With regard to the SS, Beevor has a nice passage in his book on the Berlin downfall where he describes Himmler's late-war attempts at playing General. I understand why he wasn't allowed a field command earlier in the war and that his skill level of 1 in HoI is very kindly set. He should probably have the 'old guard' trait as well...
I think we can safely say that things are beginning to shape up a bit, even if we most likely won't see a release for another couple of weeks at least. That's just my guesstimate, though.
With regard to the SS, Beevor has a nice passage in his book on the Berlin downfall where he describes Himmler's late-war attempts at playing General. I understand why he wasn't allowed a field command earlier in the war and that his skill level of 1 in HoI is very kindly set. He should probably have the 'old guard' trait as well...
Question for a possible enhancement.
Is there a way to tweak the game so that aircraft can be auto-relocated from there "home" base when the airfield in that territory is attacked?
I'm only asking 'cause it doesn't seem all that realistic for aircraft not to be moved from a dangerous position given HOI2's "attack starts as soon as movement starts" posture.
Does that make sense?
Is there a way to tweak the game so that aircraft can be auto-relocated from there "home" base when the airfield in that territory is attacked?
I'm only asking 'cause it doesn't seem all that realistic for aircraft not to be moved from a dangerous position given HOI2's "attack starts as soon as movement starts" posture.
Does that make sense?