annexation vassal modifier

[isshin68]

Hello everyone,
i'm doing the portugal achievement All Blue and I noticed that my vassals doesnt get the -25 or -30 relation hit when i'm annexing another vassal
I cant remember seeing in some patch notes that the modifier was erased from the game.

 

[bokorthedust]

Are they marches or regular vassals? Because marches don't get the opinion penalty when you annex a vassal.

 

[KRBLACK]

Are they marches or regular vassals? Because marches don't get the opinion penalty when you annex a vassal.

That is actually really useful to know.
More vassal shenanigans!

 

[isshin68]

Are they marches or regular vassals? Because marches don't get the opinion penalty when you annex a vassal.

all vassals, i usually dont do marches, i know there are useful but i prefer to have the possibility for annexation directly

 

[Banedon Runestar]

There’s a noble privilege the removes the dip-rep hit. I know that’s something different, but that’s the only other thing that I know of that modifies vassal integrations.

 

[isshin68]

There’s a noble privilege the removes the dip-rep hit. I know that’s something different, but that’s the only other thing that I know of that modifies vassal integrations.

yeah i have it constantly up for nearly all my run, i tested without it and still no relation hit so its not that

 

[currylambchop]

are they colonial nations

 

[isshin68]

are they colonial nations

no no , to say it clearly , they are regular vassals , i'm portugal, so cant do weird vassals, i dont have colonial nations since i'm doing the achievement dont want to waste time with explo ideas

i have 8k hours so i know the basic difference with vassal and all of the other types of subjects (not to sound arrogant of course lol)

and weirdly enough, when i open the annex vassal on the relations tab, it is clearly said that my other vassal will get -30 relation hit so really dont get it why there isnt

i have up to tier 8 gov reform at this point and only one gives dip rep and nothing weird about annexation
i have diplo mercenary religious infrastructure ideas with the policy mercenaries + dipo who gains 2 relations slots but nothing on that

i have +93.5 improve relations i suppose its capped at 90 but maybe at 90 some modifier doesnt apply ? not aware of something like that but maybe ?

 

[KRBLACK]

The modifier disappears after 20 years, regardless of the amount left IIRC.

That might be why it does not show up anymore. Other than that I would not know

 

[isshin68]

its -30 ticking down depending on improve relations etc so it should have at least been there at a minimum

really dont know what's the problem

 

[Vulpes Cinerea]

I have noticed the same thing. I wondered if it was a general change/bug or if it had to do with that noble privilege. I have not seen an annexed members opinion malus this patch.

 

[Alaitoc]

The modifier seems to have been removed, I don't know whether it was on purpose though.

 

[Maxxie42]

That's actually super useful info for any Timurids run, because you start with more vassals than diplomats, so it used to be a bit of a headache because of the malus taking you under 190 opinion.

 

[currylambchop]

make a bug report?

 

[isshin68]

The modifier seems to have been removed, I don't know whether it was on purpose though.

probably a big oversight or a new intern who f**ed up the code somehow since when you click on one of your vassal to see how long it will take etc its clearly noted that there will be a modifier for other vassals and for hre member if you're annexing a hre member

i just tested with savoy by annexing montferrat without no gov reform no estate privilege literally did nothing aside of allying france to be sure i dont die to burgundy , and geneva didnt get the modifier but every hre member got the penalty by annexing a hre member