Annexation - through war

[obliterate]

Noob question. I am playing as Prussia in Napoleon's Ambition and I completely control the former provinces of Saxony. In the peace offering screen I am up by 100% yet I still cannot annex them? Also I have demanded annexation and been refused. How is that possible? what can I do about it?

I've read the FAQs and can't find th answer so thanks for your help.

 

[unmerged(75349)]

You can only force-annex one province nations and pagans.

If Saxony only has one province but is refusing to be annexed, it is probably because they still have strong allies. Wait a few months more and they'll probably accept.

 

[unmerged(15247)]

You can only force-annex one province nations and pagans.

If Saxony only has one province but is refusing to be annexed, it is probably because they still have strong allies. Wait a few months more and they'll probably accept.

if she refuses , and is ONE province nation ,it is becouse she still has some troops( not strong allies). just look around including the nations she has militarry access from and kill any remaining troops even if 1man(she should not have any navy, but whoo...just make sure that she does not as well)

 

[Dspencer]

napoleon's ambition is for eu3, you might get better answers in that forum

 

[unmerged(96838)]

napoleon's ambition is for eu3, you might get better answers in that forum

napoleon's ambition 'scenario' was around way before EU3 was even a twinkle in Johans eye

 

[obliterate]

Thanks, I sorta suspected that. Just another though, playing the grand campaign as France I ended up completely overruning England. I owned ever province and it had no army. I offered it a peace deal at 93% and it refused, could that be because it still had a navy?

 

[Mats_SX]

England would in 99 cases out of 100 not accept a 93% peace deal. Try 60 or 70% if you have 100%, destroyed their navy and their army, and you might succeed.

As for annexing one-province minors, it will be impossible if the one-province minor is a vassal and its overlord is still at war. Peace the overlord first in a separate peace, then annex the minor.

 

[Dspencer]

napoleon's ambition 'scenario' was around way before EU3 was even a twinkle in Johans eye

oh yeah lol my bad o

 

[MichaelM]

England would in 99 cases out of 100 not accept a 93% peace deal. Try 60 or 70% if you have 100%, destroyed their navy and their army, and you might succeed.

I don't know if 99/100 is accurate. It seems to me I've gotten about that much in a peace against a big country before.

Regardless (speaking to the OP here), if you offer 11% (or 13%, I forget which) less than your warscore and they refuse it, it costs them a stability point. This is known as stab-hitting. I think they are more likely to accept offers if they would cause a stabhit.

 

[Mats_SX]

I don't know if 99/100 is accurate. It seems to me I've gotten about that much in a peace against a big country before.

Oh. Well, I have never been that successful.

Regardless (speaking to the OP here), if you offer 11% (or 13%, I forget which) less than your warscore and they refuse it, it costs them a stability point. This is known as stab-hitting. I think they are more likely to accept offers if they would cause a stabhit.

Almost. There are a couple of other requisites: You must have at least 40% warscore and offer a peace worth maximum 10% less than the total (so, earliest at max 30%). At 100%, the max is of course 90%. If such a deal is refused, a -1 stab hit and random revolts occur. At -3, the revolts tend to be pretty heavy. If an AI has -3 and 100% warscore against them, they are likely to accept very cruel peaces, but I still doubt an England would accept a 93% deal.

 

[unmerged(96838)]

If an AI has -3 and 100% warscore against them, they are likely to accept very cruel peaces, but I still doubt an England would accept a 93% deal.

Well Ive just been at war with the golden horde, controlled 100%, wiped out all their armies and navies, they were at -3 and had no allies, after many, many stab hits I eventually decided to start lowering my demands....they accepted at 63%.

So yeah, I just think the AI is stubborn sometimes, other times not so.


EDIT - what we need is a thread where people can tell us their worst and best peace deals, who with etc (situations at 100% score)

 

[Monkii-sama]

Well Ive just been at war with the golden horde, controlled 100%, wiped out all their armies and navies, they were at -3 and had no allies, after many, many stab hits I eventually decided to start lowering my demands....they accepted at 63%.

So yeah, I just think the AI is stubborn sometimes, other times not so.


EDIT - what we need is a thread where people can tell us their worst and best peace deals, who with etc (situations at 100% score)

Well, I was annexed as Novgorod... damned swedes.

 

[BurningEGO]

I remember trying over and over again to get a COT alone in a peace proposal, and the stupid AI kept offering me a COT, and 2 other provinces. Sounds stupid when the AI refuses a good deal (for themselves) only to offer a worse one.

I also remember in mymap when i fought the ottomans... stupid ferocious AI. Kept refusing everything. Ferocious AI is the worse to deal with tbh. Had 99% WS and most of the times had to offer a peace proposal with less then 40%.

But i also remember some other cases where i was often offered more then 8 rich provinces in a row. Cant remember if these offers could get past 100% WS, but if they didnt they were pretty close to.

 

[Stoertebecker]

Well Ive just been at war with the golden horde, controlled 100%, wiped out all their armies and navies, they were at -3 and had no allies, after many, many stab hits I eventually decided to start lowering my demands....they accepted at 63%.

Yes, I know that situation. Espsecially the Golden Horde is quite reluctant to accept your peace offers. And even worse: they won't offer you a big deal.
Normally, the compliance of AI in peace deals is dependent on Monarch skills too, but in some cases, there seems to be something like "hard-coded AI-behaviour" not to give away certain provinces in combination with others.

Another example for that would be the Mameluks: you won't get Alexandria+Syria+some other provinces, if the offer is too high (more than 50 or 60% Warscore. I can't remember exactly).

@BurningEgo:

I know that from peaces with Benin: if you only want Ivoria, you should not conquer more than that plus the capital. Then, they'll offer only Ivoria. If you control more, they'll offer you god and the world.

 

[BurningEGO]

@BurningEgo:

I know that from peaces with Benin: if you only want Ivoria, you should not conquer more than that plus the capital. Then, they'll offer only Ivoria. If you control more, they'll offer you god and the world.

Yeah, i know, usually when i want to conquer a COT now i often only occupy the COT province, and get more WS either from battles (mostly camping in the same COT province), or from taking the capital. But it still sounds stupid how it works.

 

[Mats_SX]

Yeah, i know, usually when i want to conquer a COT now i often only occupy the COT province, and get more WS either from battles (mostly camping in the same COT province), or from taking the capital. But it still sounds stupid how it works.

I wish there was an option when offered a peace of 4 provinces to accept it with only taking 2 of them...

 

[unmerged(15247)]

Oh. Well, I have never been that successful.


Almost. There are a couple of other requisites: You must have at least 40% warscore and offer a peace worth maximum 10% less than the total (so, earliest at max 30%). At 100%, the max is of course 90%. If such a deal is refused, a -1 stab hit and random revolts occur. At -3, the revolts tend to be pretty heavy. If an AI has -3 and 100% warscore against them, they are likely to accept very cruel peaces, but I still doubt an England would accept a 93% deal.

it will accept IF he clears ALL her navy and troops. the problem with england/portugal/spain is that they have ship many times in pacific , out of reach...so ai's do not accept peace deals over a certain quota.
ANY ai , that you have 100% ws and they have NO troops/navy( even 1 MAN counts) will accept a deal up to 100% included if you get her down to -3 stab (in some cases due to hardcoded agressivness like ottos has) by means of stabhitting as u described.

 

[unmerged(96838)]

it will accept IF he clears ALL her navy and troops. the problem with england/portugal/spain is that they have ship many times in pacific , out of reach...so ai's do not accept peace deals over a certain quota.
ANY ai , that you have 100% ws and they have NO troops/navy( even 1 MAN counts) will accept a deal up to 100% included if you get her down to -3 stab (in some cases due to hardcoded agressivness like ottos has) by means of stabhitting as u described.

I thought I would see if I could prove you wrong....

so i just checked to see if i had a save of my GH war (luckily i did), and guess what...

they had one single transport left , right outside one of my ports IN NORTHERN EUROPE , where I had a navy stationed !!!

...so I destroyed it, then tested the peace offers....THEY ACCEPTED my 100% demand immediately (first time)

ive since played on, but that really annoys me, in future if the AI refuses my peace offers (when I have 100%) Im loading up as them to see if they have any troops or ships left, then I shall hunt them down and destroy them!!! Or if they are just minor...delete them, as it is absurd that a country should not agree to my demands because they have one transport or one soldier lurking somewhere... ABSURD!!!!

edit - well its not all that bad , its only a game, but c'mon, all his lands are lost, his armies destroyed, but the captured khanate holds out for one ship or one man, is one man going to come back and regain all his Lords lands? i guess if that man was Rambo and this was some corny movie...but its not.

 

[unmerged(15247)]

I thought I would see if I could prove you wrong....

so i just checked to see if i had a save of my GH war (luckily i did), and guess what...

they had one single transport left , right outside one of my ports IN NORTHERN EUROPE , where I had a navy stationed !!!

...so I destroyed it, then tested the peace offers....THEY ACCEPTED my 100% demand immediately (first time)

ive since played on, but that really annoys me, in future if the AI refuses my peace offers (when I have 100%) Im loading up as them to see if they have any troops or ships left, then I shall hunt them down and destroy them!!! Or if they are just minor...delete them, as it is absurd that a country should not agree to my demands because they have one transport or one soldier lurking somewhere... ABSURD!!!!

edit - well its not all that bad , its only a game, but c'mon, all his lands are lost, his armies destroyed, but the captured khanate holds out for one ship or one man, is one man going to come back and regain all his Lords lands? i guess if that man was Rambo and this was some corny movie...but its not.

yes, very annoying; easier , you can just open the save file and check that(couse sometimes they have troops within nations they have MA from, like england in bengal for example. that is somehow "logical" at times, becouse ai getting stuck since they have less then 1k and all forts around are level 1 or more

 

[cool-toxic]

Why not play with force annex on ?