Annexation of Vassal Issue with Chain Annexing.

[Mr. Methyl]

Playing my first 1.8 ironman 1444 start as Muscovy. Decide at some point to annex Yaroslavl and Perm at the same time. Yaroslavl finishes first, successful annexation. However, Perm annexation is frozen at 60.0%. I have 235 Diplo Points in reserve. Frozen month after month.

I see then that Perm gets "Annexed Vassal" penalty, and relations with my nation are now 165. Ok, fine, I send a diplo and get to +190 relations, while keeping my annex vassal diplo at work. Nothing, stuck at 60.0%. I wait until +200 Relations, still nothing. Then, I cancel Annexation and try again to annex with +200 relations. Now, I am told "Unknown" time, and "because 6 base tax", while my Muscovy having absorbed Novgorod by this point is far higher base tax wise than the 3PM Perm. I haven't fed them at all, it still is saying that it will cost 60 Dip points, but "Unknown" time to finish in the tooltip. When I start to annex, it sticks at 0.0%.

What am I missing? Ironman playthrough so I can't use console.

 

[NeonNinja96]

The system for annexing vassals changed. It is dependent on lots of factors, including diplo rep. After you annex a vassal you get a malus called Annexed Subjects or something like that, which gives you -3 diplo rep for 10 years.

 

[Petbazooka]

I don't know this for sure, but I believe it is because of your diplomatic reputation. It's added to the rate at which you annex vassals, but whenever you finish annexing a vassal you get a temporary malus(-3) to your DR. So what I'm guessing happened is that after Yaroslavl was annexed your DR went negative(since it normally is only like +1 if memory serves), and that malus was greater or equal to the total value of the other factors. I don't remember for sure what they are off of the top of my head, but I think it's 1 base, +1 same religion(which Perm has), +1 same culture(which Perm doesn't have), so 1 + 1 - 2 = 0, thus no more annexation progress.

EDIT: emu'd

 

[Mr. Methyl]

Ah, OK. Will grab a diplo rep advisor or wait for malus to burn off and will come back and post if that doesn't work, thanks for quick responses.

 

[TheChronoMaster]

Oh, keep in mind the malus doesn't stack, but it does reset -- meaning that, if you finish the annexation of Perm, the cooldown timer will start over for your diprep malus if it hasn't burned off.

 

[gibbel]

I don't know if it's intended that way but the modifier doesn't stack for multiple annexations. As Austria you with diplomatic ideas you get so much diplomatic reputiation you can annex as many nations as your diplo points allow you.