Annexation of countries

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I have already posted this idea on the AAR forum but i would like to have your comments on this.

It seems that a problem, in my view, in the game that has been largely commented before is the ability to annex systematically whole countries. This didn't happen often in this period, but it's happened anyway (Hungary, Mameluks, Grenada, Lorraine, the Ukrainian khanates, Poland, Aztecs, Incas). So the option in the game is to enable annexation or disable it, My first inclination would be to toggle it off but what then what about these historical examples.
I have maybe a solution: you could only conquer and annex completly a nation IF this nation is from another religion than yours. It would work for all the historical examples i remember. It would be more accurate (crusade spirit, you know) and limiting.
I hope it can be possible to implement it in the actual codes of the game, but in my view it would be more historical and more challenging. I may be wrong, i don't know, it was just an idea.

By the way, is it possible to toggle on and off the annex capital province option during the course of the game ?

Kind Regards
Crusader

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i'll have to disagree with you on this one since there's no historical justification for such a rule. a few examples are Ottoman annexation of Mameluke (the population was Sunnite in Egypt and Palestine. Dynastical religion had little to do with Ottoman decision to annex them--it was rather economical)
Russia's annexation of Ukraine (it was gradual, but did happen anyways) and Austrian annexation of Hungary (both catholic, and well Austrians called it 'liberation')
regards,
Tuna

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Tuna, thanks for the comments

Well, i will have to check but i seem to recall that even if the greatest benefit for the Ottomans was more religious and the wealth came as a bonus. Nonetheless, Selim I attacked the Mameluks because they wanted to ally with the Persians, that the Ottomans had just defeated. So it wasn't a economical decision but a strategical and political one. Anyway, i was not speaking of the provinces religions, but of the State religion which is differenciated in the game. So maybe the sumnits saw that as a liberation, anyway, the Mameluks as a Shiit entity were destroyed due to this war. The Ottomans never annexed any sumnit country latter on.

As for Ukraine, i'm not an expert and maybe Sapura could help us here, but the political entities of that region were all muslims (Khanate of Kazan, Golden Horde and Crimea).

Hungary had been more or less annexed by the Ottomans after Mohacs. Then when austria fought back and retook Hungary, the political independent entity of Hungary had been destroyed by the Ottomans and Austria then never conquered and annexed the country Hungary but the lands which had been Hungary.
In my view, my point is still valid but i don't know if it could be possible to implement it in the game.
If annexation is kept as it is, i doubt we will ever see a great campaign finish with as much countries present than it was in the reality.
I know that from 1492 to 1792, a lot of things that didn't happen could have been, but then what stopped the major powers of that time to crush and annex their weak neighbours.
I think it is in part due to the still feudal and therefore religious organization of Europe. Then the ruler were king, emperor or electors by the will of god and even their mighty neighbours didn't dare to defy their god. A fact that didn't apply to other religions.
Just my view of the game in regard of history,

Kind regards
Crusader

 

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By the way, is it possible to toggle on and off the annex capital province option during the course of the game

Unfortunately there is no option such as this. However simply erase the country that you want to annex during a course of a game and replace it with another -- or don't as the case may be


Sapura

 

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I agree Crusader , its a problem.

 

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Just turn off the annexation option inside the game when you dont want annexations to happen.


/Johan

 

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Originally posted by Johan:
Just turn off the annexation option inside the game when you dont want annexations to happen.


/Johan

OK, it's a solution but how to implement it in a multiplayer game then ?
Would it be possible to put the option of annexation of countries of different religions only in a future patch ?
Sapura what do you mean by erasing a country ?

Crusader

 

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Crusader,


I mean (and unless I misunderstood you?) you would like to be able to annex countries completley, a long with their capitals. Since the major countries cannot be completley annexed at default, there is a way around it.

e.g. Russia or Poland. Go to grand campaign eug, delete them or rename their abbrevations to other countries (e.g. RUS .. POL) from the players list and they'll be relegated to minor countries .. it works with every country. Now you'll be able to completley annex them.

Sapura

 

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Dear Sapura,

I wasn't talking about major nations, but i would like to limit the annexation of a lot of minors in the game. With the annexation option off, Grenada and some others wich were historically conquered would be still around in 1792. With this option on, i wonder if i will ever see a game finish with as many minors as they was in 1792.
So my idea was that minor contries could only be completly annexed if they were of another religions that the conqueror. I find it more historically historical due to the still feudal organization of nations at this time were ruler were sovereigns 'by the will of god' so that leaders of other countries in the same religion would not dare to go against the will of god by annexing their weak neighbours. This provision wouldn't apply against minors that were of another reigions.

By the way, i just received my ADSL connection today and it's really cool

Kind regards,
Crusader