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This game needs OOB, counters and an option to turn off this "unit clumping"-feature.

It has an OOB and one that you completely control yourself.

On the right side is a grouping they call theaters but it doesn't have to be a theater. You can use this in conjunction with the actual "groups" to create an OOB for an attack like against Poland. For simplicity sake create three of these theaters but just rename them to some Army Group. One for Poland, one for the west and one for the rest of the troops and reserves.

Each group can be a corps in this army. And each corps can have their own detailed BP. Larger groupings can be renamed as armies and include 12 divisions or more if they use one of those FM's that are shown. Now since a BP can have multiple attacks, multiple advances etc. this allows you detailed control over that specific group (corp or army) And clicking on the right side AG only shows the corps assigned to it.

If you actually watch the videos the unit "clumping" is in direct relation to zoom level. At very close zoom levels there is no clumping outside of the province level. Go farther out and it appears to group via state or some other region level. And I bet if you zoom out far enough you can see summary counters for entire fronts.
 
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I feel like you guys are giving him way too much hate....

I personally do not give hate to angry joe, just makes me smile that a person who works as the reviewer, does not inform on the subject of what is going to review ... Perhaps he will have thought: WW2??? Hitler, bombs, deaths ... I know all I need!
That does not mean he's a bad reviewer, just as I said it makes me smile. ;)
 
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So this is an attack on Poland, I wonder what happens when things get complicated.

Holy crap! That is one big ugly mess! Hope you can turn different things off, like animations and more! I can't for the life of me understand how this can attract new players into the game. Older versions is so much clearer and easier to get into than this. Using counters for instance is WAY better than this. Who even wants planes and other silly animations cluttering up the map? Surely someone do, but I can't understand why.

The only thing this video did, was scare me really hard. The game has some new and interesting things going for it, but also too much negative in my opinion. And the guy in the video - what a total waste doing a video with someone like him, I'm not sure he even knew what WW2 was. If enjoying Total War series is strategy for him... Why not try to recruit people that instead like games like War in the East and stuff to do videos?

Sorry for being a bit blunt here, but this video was just too much for me.
 
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I personally do not give hate to angry joe, just makes me smile that a person who works as the reviewer, does not inform on the subject of what is going to review ... Perhaps he will have thought: WW2??? Hitler, bombs, deaths ... I know all I need!
That does not mean he's a bad reviewer, just as I said it makes me smile. ;)


Nah, I don't hate AJ either. He is actually a pretty legit reviewer. But I know the games he plays, and I have an idea of what his userbase likes.

I think him playing HoI4 or Stellaris on his twitch will fizzle fast when people start clamouring for Xcom 2, or Warhammer Total war,

He never plays the same game longer than a few sessions. He is no Arumba or Shenryyr
 
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The chick sounded like she was very uncomfortable during the entire video. New to interviews perhaps?

The host did not sound uncomfortable to me. Maybe the developer felt uncomfortable but I would think it was the type of questions Joe was asking, they were a bit different than anyone close to the game would ask. I have seen a handful of his youtube videos and he is quite entertaining. I think with the angy army group and other Joe they could have a good MP stream one day.
 

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This game looks lame. It seems like they are trying to appeal more to casual gamers with dumbed down tree constraints and the battleplan line drawing system, along with superfluous visuals like the planes flying all over the place not doing much that makes sense. Drawing lines into poland and waiting to win didn't look fun at all, and I bet line drawing competitions against AI or human opponents running more powerful nations will be less fun than that.
 
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This game looks lame. It seems like they are trying to appeal more to casual gamers with dumbed down tree constraints and the battleplan line drawing system, along with superfluous visuals like the planes flying all over the place not doing much that makes sense. Drawing lines into poland and waiting to win didn't look fun at all, and I bet line drawing competitions against AI or human opponents running more powerful nations will be less fun than that.

So are you saying moving little square boxes one at a time is more entertaining? Because the whole dumbed down tree constraints is not an issue at all, giving the game is mod friendly. I'm sure visual graphics are still being tweaked, but are you arguing for less planes, or no planes at all?
Again, if you are just saying things, without making suggestions on how to make it better, then you are doing nothing but blowing hot air. Good luck with that.
 
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So are you saying moving little square boxes one at a time is more entertaining? Because the whole dumbed down tree constraints is not an issue at all, giving the game is mod friendly. I'm sure visual graphics are still being tweaked, but are you arguing for less planes, or no planes at all?
Again, if you are just saying things, without making suggestions on how to make it better, then you are doing nothing but blowing hot air. Good luck with that.
I'm offering my opinion as a consumer. If you can't handle reading it without resorting to rhetorical theatrics, you should reconsider how objectively you are evaluating this product. You'll be paying for the base game, not mods, and the screen litter you see. That clutter didn't look good to me, and it didn't look like it was serving an important purpose to the game.
 
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Dingle, if you have time you should check at the World War Wednesdays at Twitch. The recent ones have a playtester invade China as Japan going through the game mechanics in detail. You can see him using battleplans in conjunction with micromanagement; it really isn't "dumbed-down" like you fear.
 
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It's not the lawyers, who make laws;) It's the Bundestag alone (Einspruchsgesetz) or the Bundestag and the Bundesrat (Zustimmungsgesetz). And last but not least our Bundespräsident, who signs that stuff ;)

well also its the "Bundesprüfstelle für Jugendgefährdende Medien" where a lot of woman have to play many games and test and evaluate if this games are too dangerous for kids. games like doom or wolffenstein were forbidden because of nazi symbols and mainly violence

u can watch this with english subtitels if u dont understand german

 
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Dingle, if you have time you should check at the World War Wednesdays at Twitch. The recent ones have a playtester invade China as Japan going through the game mechanics in detail. You can see him using battleplans in conjunction with micromanagement; it really isn't "dumbed-down" like you fear.
I watched part of it. A lot of boxes moving around and zooming in and out. I wasn't getting most of it, besides the point allocation to the tank and the arrows getting put in. How big a monitor display is the minimum recommended for this game?
 

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Angry Joe is someone who has never played grand strategy games before. Next time, I think you need someone who is better at explaining things.
 
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Lots of this thread reminds me of the 'bad' old days on the sub forum. So much negativity :(
Indeed. Grognards just can't fathom that not everyone is like them.
 
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