Andy's African History posting + Africa Update Suggestions Part 2: Nubia

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Nubia
Yes, one of the oldest civilizations on earth is chock full of potential content and cool stuff that would be great for eu4, if only it is given the love it deserves.

Here's my fixed map of Nubia. And, yes, I'm aware that it was stated in a comment on the last dev diary that there would be no changes to the map. However, I think that is a mistake, and would like to desperately plead to Paradox to change their mind on that front. Africa's map as it is now is absolutely unworkable. There are provinces the size of European countries, entire historically relevant island chains missing from the map, borders that seem like arbitrary blobs with no historical or cultural basis that are clearly a relic of EU4's distant past. Simply put, Africa needs border changes more than any other region in the game. Not doing them in destining this update for failure. Mission trees and events cannot fix the fundamentally broken current state of Africa in EU4.
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With that said, let's talk about Nubia. In 1444, Nubia had been a part of the Christian world for centuries. The powerful kingdoms of Alodia and Makuria dominated the region, and even won impressive victories of Arab and Ethiopian armies. However, some time in the 13th century AD, things started to go wrong. Power struggles with the Ayyubids and later Mamluks, an invasion by bedouin nomads, and a devastating outbreak of plague have immensely weakened the kingdom of Makuria. Alodia is faring even worse. Some scholars even contend that Alodia had already collapsed by 1444, but certain archaeological findings support its continued but severely weakened existence until the late 15th century. This time period marked the beginning of the transition of the Upper Nile Valley from a culturally Nubian, Christian region into the culturally Arab Muslim region that it is today.

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Makuria: Once the most powerful Christian Nubian polity, the kingdom is now a shell of its former self. Its old capital of Dongola has fallen and is now a vassal of the Bedouins, forcing them to retreat north to Qasr Ibrim. On a side note, Dongola was a much more important site to the Coptic faith. It, not Qasr Ibrim, should serve as the coptic blessing in Nubia. While weak, however, Makuria's last great king, Joel, led a brief cultural and political renaissance of the kingdom, which should reflect in the player having access to a high skilled ruler at game start. If leveraged right, Makuria can reclaim lost cores on Dongola and much of the rest of northern Nubia, with the help of its sole vassal, Dotawo.

Abdalabi: Some time in the mid 15th century, a tribe of Rufaa Arabs known as the Abdalabi asserted their power in northern Nubia. They quickly asserted themselves as a new force to be reckoned with, capturing the city of Dongola and turning it into a vassal kingdom. Not much later, around 1480, they would invade further South, nearly destroy the Abwab kingdom and the remains of Alodia. While they would eventually be subjugated themselves at the hands of the Funj, they stood a real chance of becoming the new masters of Sudan, and even continued to rule the north of Sudan as vassals.

Abwab: As Alodia weakened in the 13th century, its northern territories broke away to form their own independent kingdom, known to the Arabs as Al-Abwab (Arabic for The Doorway). This Christian state is not very well understood, but managed to outlive its predecessor, surviving until its conquest by the Funj in the 16th century.

Alodia: Similarly to Makuria, Alodia is a state that was incredibly power centuries before game-start. Its capital of Soba, once a grand metropolis, now lays nearly abandoned. Despite this, however, the state still has some cores to its north, so recovering Alodia's status as a great power is hard, but possible. Oral traditions in Sudan state that the kingdom actually survived as a rump state to the South called Fazughli, though the veracity of these stories is worthy of skepticism.

Funj: Currently, this state doesn't exist in the start, but rather emerges by event in 1500. While the Funj sultanate did not emerge as a great power until the 16th century, their ancestors were already living in the Eastern Sahel, so I see no reason not to include them so that players can pick this nation in 1444. The Funj are a people who would emerge from obscurity to eventually conquer the entirety of Sudan. Likely descended from the neighboring Shilluk people, the Funj Sultan would claim descent from the Umayyad dynasty of Arabia as a source of legitimacy. I'll talk more about them later.

Shilluk: A pagan,Nilotic people from modern day South Sudan, the Shilluk Kingdom. In 1444, the Shilluk state is a new institution, being established around this time by the legendary reth (king) Nyikang. The Shilluk would resist conquest by the Funj (though the Funj would eventually seize the northern half of the Shilluk kingdom's territories), and the states even aligned themselves with crushing multiple revolts by the Dinka people in the Shilluk's northern provinces. A revolt tag called Dinka should exist in the kingdoms two northern provinces to reflect this subject population.

Kunama: A pagan people in modern Eritrea, the Kunama live an agrarian lifestyle without a centralized state, but instead rely on their matrilineal, clan based system of local governments to run affairs. For this reason, the Kunama ought to be Africa's first stateless society in eu4.

Semien: A vassal of Ethiopia, the Jewish region of Semien had recently been conquered by the Solomonic kings of Ethiopia. However, they are still ruled by a Jewish governor, which I think makes them more appropriate to start as a vassal kingdom.

Dahlak Kebir: This Muslim Archipelagic state is, frankly, a long overdue inclusion in the game. Not only is this state fascinating for its complex system of urban cisterns and beautiful structures, but it also played an important role in Red Sea economics. The islands were a major pearl fishery, which could be reflected by them producing precious gems with a goods produced modifier on the province. Additionally, this archipelago is a must include for the role it played in the Ottoman-Portuguese Wars, becoming an important base of Ottoman naval operations.

Beja: The nomadic Beja people ruled over the coastal deserts of southern Egypt and Nubia since antiquity, and played a pivotal role as ally and adversary against both the Egyptian and Aksumite empires of ancient times. By the 15th century, they have been introduced to Islam and are a vassal people to the Egyptian Mamluk Sultanate.

Along with new tags, East Africa is in bad need of a cultural overhaul. My suggestion is to split the region into four cultural groups. These would include Rufaa in the Levantine culture group, a Nilotic culture group (red), Cushitic culture group (purple), and Habesha culture group (blue.) While imperfect, this division far better reflects the cultural differences that exist in East Africa. It would also include the introduction of several new cultures, including Rufaa, Dinka, Shilluk, Kafiche, and Oromo (in 1444, as they did not just pop out of nowhere during their later expansions.)

Finally, East Africa could use some formables. One that gets brought up a lot is Aksum, a nation that could be formed by any Christian or Fetishist Tigray cultured nation if it controls enough cores. Nubia is another common suggestion, but personally I think that the Nubian formable should resemble the formables in India and be dependent on religion. Any country in the Nubian group or is Rufaa and Beja (and is not Funj) should be able to form either Nubia (if Christian), Kush (if Fetishist), or Butana (if Muslim).

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Of the nations in East Africa, the ones that badly need mission trees in my view include Ethiopia, Adal, Funj, and Makuria, as well as mission trees for any formable Nubian tags.

Ethiopia:
I assume the devs already have an idea in mind, as Ethiopia seems like an obvious pick to provide flavor to in this update. Ethiopian focuses should largely focus on the attempts of the Nigusa Nagast to wrangle his subject nobility into submission, as well as establishing relations with Christian Europe, conquering the Adal Sultanate, dealing with Oromo expansion (an event which this update will hopefully improve, I'd like to see it become a national disaster for all nations in the Horn personally, but it's hard to do worse than its current implementation) and pressing North into Egypt and eventually Jerusalem. Some events, like the letter to the Mamlukean Sultan and the request for Portuguese aid, would likely be better implemented as missions. The ideas could also use some retouching, but that's a matter of opinion.

Adal:
Again, I'd be surprised if this one isn't already on the devs' to-do list. Mostly regarding relations with the Ottomans and other Somalis, dealing with Oromo expansion, improving Zeila as a city, etc.

Funj:
Funj's missions are necessary not only for guiding players, but also the AI. Funj rarely expands into Sudan in the current game, so missions could help fix AI behavior in this regard. Anyways, Funji missions should concern themselves with the adoption of Islam, the crushing of Dinka resistance in the South, expansion into Sudan, and, eventually, preparing for the inevitable confrontation with the Egyptians or Ottomans.

Makuria:
As the last true Nubian Christian power, should definitely have its own set of missions focused on retaking its lost cores, converting them back to Christianity, refurbishing the famous cathedral of Dongola, and establishing close ties with Ethiopia.

That's all. Next post will focus on Songhai, Mali, and the other states of the Sahel.
 
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Awesome job, always appreciate somebody putting in work on a misrepresented region.

Some thoughts:
- Kunama should be an uncolonized province or even a wasteland, they weren't a state and as far as I know not terribly relevant to regional politics
- Maybe some tags (Beja, Abdalabi, Shilluk, even Funj at game start) could be migratory tribes to better reflect their nature
- Could probably use more wastelands in general, maybe in the Ethiopian-Sudanese border region or the northern deserts
- I thought the Funj came from the southeast, not Kordofan?
- I think Rufaa in the Levantine group is a mistake, Sudanese Arabs are still African just speak an Arabic language. They should be in the Sudanese group or by themselves.
- Separating Habesha from Cushitic is probably a good idea
- Have you thought about dividing the Somali culture into two or three cultures based on clan groups? The region was never united before modern history, and the clans were the equivalent of ethnicity back then.
- I think Ethiopia should get Fasil Ghebbi as a monument, maybe Sennar and one of the Nubian kingdoms could get monuments too.

Looking forward to the next posts.
 
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- Kunama should be an uncolonized province or even a wasteland, they weren't a state and as far as I know not terribly relevant to regional politics
- Maybe some tags (Beja, Abdalabi, Shilluk, even Funj at game start) could be migratory tribes to better reflect their nature
- Could probably use more wastelands in general, maybe in the Ethiopian-Sudanese border region or the northern deserts
- I thought the Funj came from the southeast, not Kordofan?
- I think Rufaa in the Levantine group is a mistake, Sudanese Arabs are still African just speak an Arabic language. They should be in the Sudanese group or by themselves.
- Separating Habesha from Cushitic is probably a good idea
- Have you thought about dividing the Somali culture into two or three cultures based on clan groups? The region was never united before modern history, and the clans were the equivalent of ethnicity back then.
- I think Ethiopia should get Fasil Ghebbi as a monument, maybe Sennar and one of the Nubian kingdoms could get monuments too.

Looking forward to the next posts.
-yeah that could work too. They weren't terrible relevant as such a small group. I think uncolonized is better than wasteland personally, as regional armies should be able to move through it and incorporate it into their realm if they'd like.
-I agree, especially for the Beja. The only problem I could see is that there aren't many places to go as most provinces are not uncolonized. Maybe two of the Beja provinces could be uncolonized and they could migrate around it similarly to how Beja bedouins live semi-nomadically today.
-good idea
-its a subject of scholarly debate, but they had definitely settled in Kordofan by the end of the 15th century at the latest.
-yeah levantine is probably bad, but idk about putting them in Nubian either. Maybe they, the Beja, and some of the provinces in southern Egypt could be given a unique Sudanese Bedouin culture group? Cause seeing Sudanese Arab culture in the same group as Dinka, Funj, and Nubian feels wrong. But yeah you're right that Levantine doesn't make much sense either.
-thanks
-yeah that is a good idea. There should definitely at least be a separate culture for the Shabelle Somalis and northern Somalis at the very least, though clans like you suggested would be cooler.
-fasil ghebbi wasn't completed for awhile, but it would be super cool to see some events surrounding its construction. Maybe Al-Nejashi Mosque or Aksumite stele would be good monuments in Ethiopia. I think the granite columns church would be the perfecto monument for Dongola.
 
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I see the changes in the regions of Nubia, Darfur and Kordofan a bit differently
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Al-Maris
( Banu Kanz - Hawwara )
Ruler of the country: Nasr el Din Dynasty = "Kanz"


Qarri/Butana
( Abdallabi )
Ruler of the country: Abdallah Jamma’a
Capital city: Qarri

Kordofan
( Al-Masaba’at )
Ruler of the country:
capital city: El-Obeid


Darfur
(
Tunjur/ Darfur)
Ruler of the country:


Dar Sila
(Daju)
Ruler of the country: Kaseforge
Religion: Fetishist


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dar_Sila

Hadariba
Ruler of the country: The ruler may be the Sharif of Mecca or his son.
In 1332 lived a Muslim "Sultan" Suakin, al-Sharif Zaid ibn-Abi Numayy ibn-'Ajlan who was the son of a Meccan sharif.
Saudi Aramco World : Suakin: Time and Tide
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Suakin

Contemporary sources indicate that the Sherif maintained an army of black military slaves (ʿabīd), which was led by a commander (qāʿid) [36]. Around the middle of the 14th century, Sawakin on the African Red Sea coast was temporarily under their rule. Hadariba were nominal vassals of the mamluks, The mamluks attacked suakin in 1439, and established direct control in 1450.
 
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Also I think some of the province names in Ethiopia are off. Here's what I would change:

Gonder -> Begemder (capital should stay Gonder)
Dawaro -> Bale
Arsi -> Fatagar
Sidamo -> Dara
Ankober -> Ifat
Ausa -> Mora
Gonder was founded later in the timeframe. Imfraz (other variants of the name include Emfras/z) is a suitable replacement. An event can change it to Gondar/Gonder.
Fatagar would be in the Shewa province in game (north of the Awash river). Similar case with Sidamo (Dara would be in the Arsi province, but it's very tiny and pretty much irrelevant by 1444.
Mora is already in game. It's a name from the Amda Seyon era that afaik, isn't mentioned after that period. Ausa is fine, as it existed before Adal split in two.
The other names are great :D.


Regarding the main post:
DInka is way too far north. The Dinka would reside in the current wasteland south of Fashoda. The Shilluk claim to originate in South Sudan around the Juba area as well, and they would migrate around the time Funj moved into Alodia (one theory and the Shilluk oral tradition, is that the Shilluk pushed the Funj, who resided in Fashoda at the time, north, which pushed them into Alodia). I currently use that theory, but obviously other interpretations will be there.

Funj didn't own all of Kordofan, and really the only times they did was during the Sennar era, but that was never permanent. They would constantly fight with Darfur for it. Tegali is also worth considering, although their first Muslim ruler was after 1444, and that's where the info for Tegali really begins.
I think the Kunama aren't really relevant here, though I don't think they lived in that part of Sudan (that province falls over Taka, aka Kassala).

I would rather rename Kafiche to Gonga, and half that take the western half of Sidama, and Sidama be over both Welayta provinces. Sidama/o was in a much smaller area, and Gonga is a term encompassing Southwestern Ethiopia.

Semien is complicated. Ethiopia couldn't control them, but Semien didn't hold any power outside of the mountains they lived in. Semien had their own kings, and would 'rebel' (according to the chronicles of Ethiopian rulers) many times. They're actually in the middle of a rebellion in 1444, when a few governors defected to their cause. See my source list in my signature for a few links on Semien =).

Nubia is really open to anybody's interpretation. It can either be focused on the pre-1444 kingdoms, or more Funj-era focused. 1444 was in between these and had a lot of migrations going on, so either choice is suitable.

Other than that, it looks good!
I'm always happy to see someone interested in East Africa :).
 
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haha all the sudan experts are gathering in this thread :D (just waiting for linusthorax and jkiller96)
Here is my latest of hrm, too many threads on sudan

Feedback on the current suggestions here based on what I remember form my research:

From what I understand it's pretty well established that Makuria and Dotawo are the same, just different localisations of the name, also it should be an OPM, the area it has been proven it controlled was very small. Give most of the makurian territories to the kunduz

Abdalabi:
Now the problem with arabo-nubian tribes and the whole area in general is of course the lack of sources, we have a few major tribes in middle nile region around the 16th century, ja'alin, abdallabs, Shayqiya being the main ones appearing in the early funj era, with abdallabs based around qerri.
I don't remember if abdallabs ever controlled the city of dongola, which anyway was basically a ruin at this point in time.

From what I heard they probably ended before 1400 though there are evidence of christian pottery being made later in the region, would like to hear what source you have to have them represented in 1444!

Completly wrong location
Also wrong location

Basically it's believed based on oral tradition and some archeological evidence that funj originate in the current shilluk land and migrated north as the shilluk migrated north from the sudd into the funj lands


Also culturaly, most of the settled people along the nile would be nubianized, with only nomadic tribes retaining clear arab identity at the time, later on it would change andm ost of the country was arabisized in 18th-19th century, so I keep nubian for all tribes nile tags

For dinka I assume you put them where you put them based on oral traditions saying they're fro mthe gezira area, though I never seen any source take that to be certain and anyway in 15th century they would be established in modern south sudan
 

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- Maybe some tags (Beja, Abdalabi, Shilluk, even Funj at game start) could be migratory tribes to better reflect their nature
Having tags inside the nile valley being nomadic would just be a mess, but if more of africa opens up it's very possible, especially south sudan vwith nuer, dinka and azande tribes
- I thought the Funj came from the southeast, not Kordofan?
Correct
- I think Rufaa in the Levantine group is a mistake, Sudanese Arabs are still African just speak an Arabic language. They should be in the Sudanese group or by themselves.
I think there should be a possibility for a levantine sudanese culture to pop up but most tags should be nubian at game start
 
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Al-Maris
( Banu Kanz - Hawwara )
Ruler of the country: Nasr el Din Dynasty = "Kanz"
looks like you got most of the nile valley form my previous suggestion :) but just have to point out that hawwara and banu kanz are quite distinct, hawwara would basically rule upper egypt for most of the euiv timeline, while banu kunz would assimilate with the nubian population of lower nubia
Kordofan
( Al-Masaba’at )
Ruler of the country: Ahmed al-Maqour
capital city: El-Obeid
This is new to me! But I like it, in my suggestion I had the area as baggara ruled, I'm gonna try find more sources about it, because I never seen it mentioned before and I wonder how it conflicts with the tunjur and people of darfur
Darfur
(
Tunjur/ Darfur)
Ruler of the country: Dali
Ok so you use tunjur as a dynasty ruling darfur? It would be a simple way of doing it without extra tag
Dar Sila
(Daju)
Ruler of the country: Kaseforge
Religion: Fetishist
Now the problem with arabo-nubian tribes and the whole area in general is of course the lack of sources, we have a few major tribes in middle nile region around the 16th century, ja'alin, abdallabs, Shayqiya being the main ones appearing in the early funj era, with abdallabs based around qerri.
I don't remember if abdallabs ever controlled the city of dongola, which anyway was basically a ruin at this point in time.


I have some issues with the province set up, my reading indciates that dar daju were still the power in southern darfur, south of jebel mara, with tunjur ruling jebel mara and north as well as wadai area, now I can't identify the provicnes very well from your map but were is jabal marra?
 

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Kordofan
( Al-Masaba’at )
Ruler of the country: Ahmed al-Maqour
capital city: El-Obeid


I actually had heard about Masaabat, but in a different time period that's why I was unsure, they're supposed to be a dynasty from darfur trying to gain dominance of kordofan in the 18th century, https://books.google.se/books?id=J5U3AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA268&lpg=PA268&dq=Kingdom+of+Sevens+kordofan&source=bl&ots=Sdc1MkACkK&sig=ACfU3U2uYFUKnjsI5NZuLHoRPXyAD8biWg&hl=sv&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiNgY2ahffyAhVniYsKHbdlD_cQ6AF6BAgZEAM#v=onepage&q=Kingdom of Sevens kordofan&f=false

this book though do agree that there could have been an arab confederation dominating central-northern kordofan in the 15th century but names it Fazara.

So anyway having an arab based tribal federation in central kordofan and al kababish makes sense,

though southern kordofan/ dar nuba doesn't seem icluded i nthis polity
 

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I actually had heard about Masaabat, but in a different time period that's why I was unsure, they're supposed to be a dynasty from darfur trying to gain dominance of kordofan in the 18th century, https://books.google.se/books?id=J5U3AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA268&lpg=PA268&dq=Kingdom+of+Sevens+kordofan&source=bl&ots=Sdc1MkACkK&sig=ACfU3U2uYFUKnjsI5NZuLHoRPXyAD8biWg&hl=sv&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiNgY2ahffyAhVniYsKHbdlD_cQ6AF6BAgZEAM#v=onepage&q=Kingdom of Sevens kordofan&f=false

this book though do agree that there could have been an arab confederation dominating central-northern kordofan in the 15th century but names it Fazara.

So anyway having an arab based tribal federation in central kordofan and al kababish makes sense,

though southern kordofan/ dar nuba doesn't seem icluded i nthis polity

FYI, Ahmad al-Maqur is claimed to be the founder of Darfur (one source says 1448). He married the daughter of what would be the 1444 Tunjur ruler.
https://www.nlc-bnc.ca/obj/s4/f2/dsk1/tape2/PQDD_0021/NQ53819.pdf

See the link above. The whole situation is complicated after Maqur, but Tunjur survived in Wadai till the 1600's (though it looks like Tunjur became Muslim after Maqur).

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Ok so you use tunjur as a dynasty ruling darfur? It would be a simple way of doing it without extra tag
I think Tunjur and Darfur can be merged into one country. Paradox likes such simplifications
1444.1.1 = {
monarch = {
name = "Dali"
dynasty = "Keira"
adm = 3
dip = 3
mil = 3
}
}

1550.1.1 = {
monarch = {
name = "Kuuruu"
dynasty = " Keira"
adm = 3
dip = 3
mil = 3
}
}

1650.1.1 = {
religion = sunni
religious_school = maliki_school
add_piety = -0.3
}


1650.1.1 = {
monarch = {
name = "Sulayman"
dynasty = " Keira"
adm = 3
dip = 3
mil = 4
}
}

1715.1.1 = {
monarch = {
name = "Ahmad Bukra"
dynasty = "Keira"
adm = 3
dip = 3
mil = 4
}
}

1743.1.1 = {
monarch = {
name = "Umar"
dynasty = "Keira"
adm = 3
dip = 3
mil = 4
}
}

1749.1.1 = {
monarch = {
name = "Abu al-Kasim"
dynasty = "Keira"
adm = 3
dip = 3
mil = 4
}
}

1756.1.1 = {
monarch = {
name = "Muhammad Tajrab"
dynasty = "Kajra"
adm = 3
dip = 3
mil = 4
}
}

1787.1.1 = {
monarch = {
name = "Abd ar-Rahmana"
dynasty = "Kajra"
adm = 3
dip = 3
mil = 4
}
}

1801.1.1 = {
monarch = {
name = "Muhammad Fazl"
dynasty = "Kajra"
adm = 3
dip = 3
mil = 4
}
}
Now the problem with arabo-nubian tribes and the whole area in general is of course the lack of sources, we have a few major tribes in middle nile region around the 16th century, ja'alin, abdallabs, Shayqiya being the main ones appearing in the early funj era, with abdallabs based around qerri.
I don't remember if abdallabs ever controlled the city of dongola, which anyway was basically a ruin at this point in time.
Jaaliyin Kingdom:1588-1821
https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/شندي
Kingdom of Shayqih 1690-1820
Kingdom of Aldfar
kingdom of tangsi
Trench Kingdom
Kingdom of Argo
Kingdom of Cape Bloul

The historical kingdom of Argo, which arose in the Dongola region around the fourteenth century AD, and continued to rule the region as an independent kingdom within the framework of the decentralized system that ruled Sudan under the Blue Sultanate and remained until the Turkish-Egyptian invasion led by Ismail Pasha ended its independence as a kingdom in 1821 AD and its last king was exiled to Egypt He is King Tembal VII. After the Turkish rule had settled in Sudan , King Tambal was reinstated as governor of the region of the Kingdom of Argo under the administration of a Turkish administrator, and later when the Mahdist revolution took place, and Muhammad bin King Hamad was appointed, who succeeded his fathers in power. And in the era ofEnglish referee Egyptian established the Civil Administration and the Department of Government Ahli to Amodiat glasses and took over the descendants of King 's family and those departments was the last of them before the abolition of the civil administration of the beholder Sheikh Zubair King Hamad . Argo Island , north of the present-day city of Dongola , close to Diyar al-Mahas in the far north of Sudan , is a large island on the Nile that was the seat of the rule of the Hakambab family.
 
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FYI, Ahmad al-Maqur is claimed to be the founder of Darfur (one source says 1448). He married the daughter of what would be the 1444 Tunjur ruler.
https://www.nlc-bnc.ca/obj/s4/f2/dsk1/tape2/PQDD_0021/NQ53819.pdf

See the link above. The whole situation is complicated after Maqur, but Tunjur survived in Wadai till the 1600's (though it looks like Tunjur became Muslim after Maqur).

View attachment 755263
I never seen sources suggesting a 15th cntury establishment of the keira dynasty, rather everythign I read suggests late 16th century.

Anyway there are no contemporary record of this event, and solid records of the situation in mid 15th century except some short references to a couple of kingdoms and tribes most of which can be possibly identified, but yet if we accept 1448 as the ascencion of keira dynasty it's still not 1444 when game starts.



I think Tunjur and Darfur can be merged into one country. Paradox likes such simplifications

I find it a reasonable simplification. But the starting dynasty of Dar Fur in 1444 should be the tunjur and IMO they should rule northern darfur and dar masalit and waddai to the east. Religion could be pagan or islam, but provicnes should be pagan.

Sources indicate that Dar Daju was still a power in southern darfur.

Though of course neither of these polities are centralized states and there existed many small kingdoms and tribes spread out in the giant region
 

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btw @Aramenian why don't you connect the zaghawa and toubou? at least an uncolonized provicne should make some connection possible
 

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btw @Aramenian why don't you connect the zaghawa and toubou? at least an uncolonized provicne should make some connection possible
Just tobou is a bit off this thread because the thread focuses on today's sudan.
I did not have time to find a suitable name for this province either.
I also started modifying the map of Sudan for my own use
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I find it a reasonable simplification. But the starting dynasty of Dar Fur in 1444 should be the tunjur and IMO they should rule northern darfur and dar masalit and waddai to the east. Religion could be pagan or islam, but provicnes should be pagan.
I couldn't find any rulers of Tunjur so I use the legendary rulers of Darfur
 
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Just tobou is a bit off this thread because the thread focuses on today's sudan.
I did not have time to find a suitable name for this province either.
'Borku/Borgu? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borkou

Are you gonna publish a mod on this region? now when they don'tdo new maps, the only benefit of that is it'll be easier to maintain mods/they don't have to be redrawn
 

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@AirikrStrife What do you think about such a division of Nubia?​

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Richard Laban refers to the group of Mahas kings that stretched from the eleventh century to the fourteenth century AD, starting with King Abdul Karim, then King Amer, then King Ahmed, then King Hassan, King Jami, King Makin, King Hamad, King Persi, then King Zubair, who was followed by Farah
 
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@AirikrStrife What do you think about such a division of Nubia?

Hey! I'm currently working on a breakdown of nubia-sudan, still some stuff I'm trying to get a better understanding of, especially in lower nubia/al-maris of all places.

This is my current notes


Nile Valley:

Beja
Ababda – arabized beja
Beja – Bizharin, Hadendoas, Amarars

Arab-mixed:
Kababish -
Baggara -
Very diverse with many tribes, nomadic tribes spread out

Mostly Settled tribes:
Shayqiya (nubianized?) Birti-korti part of bayuda
Ja'alin (nubianized?) Politically dominant tribe among arabs in the nile valley and eastern desert, korti and up to mahass. Includes Bedaria

Abdallabi - Qerri, Butua

Monassir, Rubatab, Hassaniyeh
Shukriye, etc

Nubian tribes -
Mahass, Kenuzi (originaly banu kanz), dongolavi, Halfavi
Alodia before the fall,

Funj, nubians or nilotes?
Six races:
yellow (arab nomads)
Red (Hamaj) from fazughli presumably
Blue (Funj themselves)
Green (Abdallab)
Mixed (Ja'alin)
Slaves/blacks south sudanese and other pagan africans
Unsure were shayqiya is classified (arab or ja'alin) also Nubians of dongola are not mentioned despite dongola being a funj province

Provinces of sennar:
Abdalla of Qerri, overlord to: Ja'alin, Shayqiya and Berber and Dongola

Many nomadic tribes
Malik title of leader of settled tribe, sheikh for nomads
 

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So in regards to your map,

I ned to look into argo kingdom and Kanz better, I'm gonna try and find more sources for the region form dongola to wadi halfa

One of the problem with making the map is the lack of westphalian political borders of course, but also the nature of the land there settled tribes lived along the nile and nomads lived around them. So example Berber is mainly populated by ja'alin but the land imediately east of the river is beja controlled and they control the trade way to suakin

Since euiv often uses rivers as border this becomes tricky and I see your approach in letting the city control be the base of most provinces,
This also creates a lot of add cases around euiv, but here for example notable oddities is soba being north of the nile confluence (as you can see in my paintings), though shendi is lcoated on the niles eastern bank, but the ja'alin land it's part of mostly extends on the western bank (so in my map proposal I have ignored this and proposed shendi as part of my abdallab tag)

it create the problem that it almost removes the beja people


I'm wondering though why you have the meroe province as parth of shayqiya, and why you have it at all,