Ancona Republic

[Theddude]

With the new DLC coming out and everything, I'm speculating on which Republics will be included. It seems only Duchy level Republics and higher will be playable, which I think would be too bad, maybe county level ones could have just three families and no trade posts until they upgrade to a Duchy? Anyways, this leads me to point out that in one of the screenshots Ancona is just county level, which would make it unplayable if my assumption is correct. Couldn't it be given the Duchy level title of Ancona to make it a full merchant republic? I think it had some influence as a maritime power, and it would be really cool to challenge Venice in the Adriatic kind of like Pisa rivals Genoa. Maybe that role would be better filled by Ragusa, which doesn't seem to be in either, which is an even bigger travesty. I'm just hoping there will be lots of options and not just four (Venice, Genoa, Pisa, Gotland). Creating Republics from Duchies as stated in the article doesn't really help us play as them, especially if there's absolutely no way of switching to them. The more flexibility the better in my opinion.

Aside from that, any ideas on what other Republics should be included? Bari and Amalfi are good candidates, and even though I know it won't happen it would be cool if they just held the city independently of the local Count but got titular Duchy titles to make them full Republics with trade. I can't think of any more right now but I bet the HRE has tons of possibilities, many of which would be good if they make County level Republics (Grand Cities?) playable.

 

[cybrxkhan]

I'm also hoping county-level Republics can be playable somehow. Late-start Italy is full of them, and it'd be a pity if I can't attempt to pull a Medici from Firenze or something.

 

[Yakdast]

County-level republics not available? Why?

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

Aside from that, any ideas on what other Republics should be included? Bari and Amalfi are good candidates, and even though I know it won't happen it would be cool if they just held the city independently of the local Count but got titular Duchy titles to make them full Republics with trade. I can't think of any more right now but I bet the HRE has tons of possibilities, many of which would be good if they make County level Republics (Grand Cities?) playable.

I understand your intentions but how will you avoid in your case in literally every coastal province becoming a republic ? Balance is a quirky old women ruining the best intentions.

But who knows, it will be interesting to hear if we can sort of decide were we want to start as a republic. Lets say the starting number will be limited but one and this one we can choose. Just my idea.
That way everybody could be pleased.

Besides that, you can still possibly grant a Republic, save, go back to menu and start as that republic you just founded. Just a possible option i thought of in case they will limit the Republics at certain dates.

 

[Martinus]

Well, it's not such a big deal, though - just start the game as the liege lord of the county-level Republic, give the Republic a Duchy, reload and play as the Republic.

The alternative (having the complex Republic mechanics applicable to each County-level Republic and up) would be very CPU-consumming with no apparent gain.

 

[Theddude]

I understand your intentions but how will you avoid in your case in literally every coastal province becoming a republic ? Balance is a quirky old women ruining the best intentions.

But who knows, it will be interesting to hear if we can sort of decide were we want to start as a republic. Lets say the starting number will be limited but one and this one we can choose. Just my idea.
That way everybody could be pleased.

Besides that, you can still possibly grant a Republic, save, go back to menu and start as that republic you just founded. Just a possible option i thought of in case they will limit the Republics at certain dates.

Your kind of right, places like Gaeta could probably be included as well ,but I do think Amalfi is one that has an especially strong case, given it's status as one of the four traditional Maritime Republics along with Venice, Genoa, and Pisa. However like I said with the county level they could have toned down mechanics until they become a Duchy level, like having trade mechanics disabled or reduced and only three families, etc.

As an aside, when I get 4 responses from Europe so quickly, considering I'm in the Western US, I should probably be asleep instead of responding... :laugh:

 

[gornard]

italy is full of communes but the new system only seems to really work for maritime merchant republics. The things you appear to do as a patrician is creating trading posts and fighting over them, but i believe these are only in coastal provinces. This means not much to do for inland republics. What happens with inland duchy/king level republics though?

 

[Olaus Petrus]

We don't really know much about The Republic at the moment, but I certainly hope that it makes all republics playable. I fear that there is going to be huge outrage (even bigger than with Aztecs) if it turns out that it makes only few Italian and German republics playable and you'll have to wait till The Republic 2 before you can play with rest of the republics.

 

[Martinus]

I'm pretty sure all coastal Duchy-or-higher level Republics will be playable - and this includes Republics given Duchy title in save game.

 

[Olaus Petrus]

I'm pretty sure all coastal Duchy-or-higher level Republics will be playable - and this includes Republics given Duchy title in save game.

Coastal and duchy are the keywords, which make many people worried at the moment, because people have wished the ability to play as smaller Italian republics and then there's those who wish to play as Old Swiss Confederacy or Novgorod (Novgorod did have access to sea, although it wasn't maritime republic like Venice or Genoa, but Pskov Republic didn't have coastal provinces), so if those are left unplayable there will be huge disappointment among the fans.

 

[Ciccillo Rre]

Coastal and duchy are the keywords, which make many people worried at the moment, because people have wished the ability to play as smaller Italian republics and then there's those who wish to play as Old Swiss Confederacy or Novgorod (Novgorod did have access to sea, although it wasn't maritime republic like Venice or Genoa, but Pskov Republic didn't have coastal provinces), so if those are left unplayable there will be huge disappointment among the fans.

Exactly THIS. I want to play as Ancona and Novgorod, not as Venice or Gotland!!!

 

[Martinus]

Well, the key mechanics for the Republican gameplay seem to involve trading posts/coastal expansion, so playing as non-maritime non-merchant Republics makes no sense in this context.

 

[tuareg109]

Just use the give_title cheat.
Give a great Russian the cities in Novgorod, and then the counties, and then the duchy.
Give a great Croatian or Italian the cities in Split, and then the counties, and then the duchy.
etc.

 

[Olaus Petrus]

Well, the key mechanics for the Republican gameplay seem to involve trading posts/coastal expansion, so playing as non-maritime non-merchant Republics makes no sense in this context.

Which doesn't sound very promising, hopefully the DLC will have other content too which will make playing other republics possible. It would really suck if you would have to pay 10€ for separate The Noble Republic DLC and another 10€ for Swiss Cantons DLC.

Just use the give_title cheat.
Give a great Russian the cities in Novgorod, and then the counties, and then the duchy.
Give a great Croatian or Italian the cities in Split, and then the counties, and then the duchy.
etc.

Cheats are bad, m'kay!

 

[Martinus]

Well I guess you will be disappointed, then.

 

[Olaus Petrus]

Well I guess you will be disappointed, then.

Well, I'm still trusting and hoping that Paradox will make this to be quality DLC like they did in case of Sword of Islam which allows you to play as all Muslims, even if some of them are only counts or don't have coastal provinces. Having separate DLCs for coastal and non-coastal Republics would be rip-off, especially if those DLCs are 10€ each.

 

[Blitzzer]

If all the republics had the possibility to build trading posts or conquer key counties along certain trade routes, whether they be inland or coastal... And perhaps add a map mode that would allow the player to see these trade routes or not... Wishful thinking. And the inland trade route CBs would probably give rise to unstoppable monolith-like mega-corporations that rival if not surpass any regular, old-fashioned feudal powers.

But in that case, it wouldn't matter if you begin as a land based republic with only access to land trade routes. You'd be at a disadvantage compared to republics with access to both, but that would just give the player a certain goal: gain access to the sea and oust the old maritime republics to create a new cartel to rule them all. Or something.

 

[Goodfortune99]

Why would not the county level republics not be playable? That would be ripoff!

 

[Ahaz Flagg]

The thing that has me worried is the number 5, it was mentioned 2 times I think battered about. I hope there are more than 5 republics!! Why do people always suggest cheating?

 

[Jeltz]

I'm also hoping county-level Republics can be playable somehow. Late-start Italy is full of them, and it'd be a pity if I can't attempt to pull a Medici from Firenze or something.

Gotland is county level in the screenshots, so I see no reason for why they should not be playble.

EDIT: Looks like he is a duke actually, weird.