Ancona - Independent Merchant Republic, not Papal State province.

[Phalanx300]

Ancona starts the game as a province of the Papal State. However the Maritime Republic (which EU4 recognizes as Merchant Republic) was only taken over by the Papal State in 1532. Considering this it would be nice to see them at the start date of the game as a Merchant Republic.

Flag of Ancona:

 

[Demetrios]

Other than the period under Malatesta rule, the commune of Ancona was pretty much under the thumb of the Papal States. The Wikipedia article (taking its cue from the Italian version) is pretty skewed in its view of the city's history by saying Ancona was "definitively" added to the Papal States in 1532 - it was part of the Papal States before that for all intents and purposes, but that is merely the date of the final and complete integration (it would be like saying Bavaria was "definitively" part of Germany only after 1918; technically that's true, but we all know Bavaria was basically part of Germany since 1871). Note that other than the Malatesta interlude, any actual history in that article is quietly (and suspiciously) passed over during the late Middle Ages.

 

[Maq]

I'm not a specialist for Italian (medieval and early modern) history, but Italy is one of the few regions where I'd welcome more tags. Italian disunity was (in)famous, and an important factor in all-European history. Ancona is a good example: Nominally a part of the Papal State for centuries, but the Popes had to struggle hard and long time to gain full control. High local autonomy and Ancona as a possible rebel/release tag seems to me an adequate solution.

 

[Phalanx300]

Other than the period under Malatesta rule, the commune of Ancona was pretty much under the thumb of the Papal States. The Wikipedia article (taking its cue from the Italian version) is pretty skewed in its view of the city's history by saying Ancona was "definitively" added to the Papal States in 1532 - it was part of the Papal States before that for all intents and purposes, but that is merely the date of the final and complete integration (it would be like saying Bavaria was "definitively" part of Germany only after 1918; technically that's true, but we all know Bavaria was basically part of Germany since 1871). Note that other than the Malatesta interlude, any actual history in that article is quietly (and suspiciously) passed over during the late Middle Ages.

I see, in that case perhaps just a tag which can be released should suffice.

 

[magnusvejby]

As Wikipedia says:

"Ancona always had to guard itself against the designs of both the Holy Roman Empire and the papacy. It never attacked other maritime cities, but was always forced to defend itself. It succeeded until 1532, when it lost its independence after Pope Clement VII took possession of it by political means."

And they were independent until the common sense patch i think, so i have no idea why they changed it!

Edit: oh i did not see Demetrios post there

 

[AhoyDeerrr]

Other than the period under Malatesta rule, the commune of Ancona was pretty much under the thumb of the Papal States. The Wikipedia article (taking its cue from the Italian version) is pretty skewed in its view of the city's history by saying Ancona was "definitively" added to the Papal States in 1532 - it was part of the Papal States before that for all intents and purposes, but that is merely the date of the final and complete integration (it would be like saying Bavaria was "definitively" part of Germany only after 1918; technically that's true, but we all know Bavaria was basically part of Germany since 1871). Note that other than the Malatesta interlude, any actual history in that article is quietly (and suspiciously) passed over during the late Middle Ages.

In light of this does it not make sense for Ancona to be a vassal of the Papal States?

 

[Demetrios]

In light of this does it not make sense for Ancona to be a vassal of the Papal States?

No more than London having some form of limited self-government should make it a vassal of England.

 

[Deathlinger]

Funnily enough there is a mission already coded (and localised) about Ancona for the Papal states, but I don't think it can be fired (as there is no Ancona)

 

[Me_]

Funnily enough there is a mission already coded (and localised) about Ancona for the Papal states, but I don't think it can be fired (as there is no Ancona)

It comes from a time when Ancona was an Urbinese province. Now that Urbino is its own province it makes no sense. If Ancona were to exist, then rather as a vassal of the Papal State.

 

[Amosblanco]

At least PDX should add a tag for Ancona which can be released