Ancient Religions

[superskierpat]

I asked my fiancee (she's druidic) and she suggested something with "Keeper" if that helps at all. E.g. "Lore Keeper"

I'll consider it and keep researching.

@necal Guys, this is not the place to discuss reconstructionist religions validity, keep the conversation to bug reports, suggestions and questions. Anybody can suggest something, if it adds to the game it will be considered, I mean I try to keep things valid historicly, but alot of what I put in is just extrapolation frrom the very meager sources.

 

[Kapitalisti]

I think this argument should be had somewhere else.

Oh and a question: what's the console command for the druidic faith? Like the norse have norse_pagan(_reformed) etc.

 

[AnaxXiphos]

Hopefully more appropriate laurel combined with the secespita, which apparently functioned as one of the badges of office for the Roman Pontifex Maximus. Tested in-game, looks pretty good I think.

 

[JoeSteel]

First off let me just thank you for doing this mod and adding a whole new realm of possibilities to this already crazy historical adventure of a game. Secondly, sorry if this is off topic but as a (novice) modder I was simply wondering how I go about adding holy sites. I am ashamed to admit it but I have not found anything in the files that gave me even a hint of where to go so i'm forced to ask the person who worked on arguably the best religion mod for the game. So where in the files would I go to add holy sites for my religion?

 

[Nivve]

First off let me just thank you for doing this mod and adding a whole new realm of possibilities to this already crazy historical adventure of a game. Secondly, sorry if this is off topic but as a (novice) modder I was simply wondering how I go about adding holy sites. I am ashamed to admit it but I have not found anything in the files that gave me even a hint of where to go so i'm forced to ask the person who worked on arguably the best religion mod for the game. So where in the files would I go to add holy sites for my religion?

They are actually very simple. Go to the landed_titles file and add 'holy_site = somereligion' under the barony of your choice.

 

[theStormWeaver]

Hey I know what a dryad is I'm just quoting an old 18th-19th century theory.

Though I'm pretty sure its wrong. Right now I have Myrdynn as head of religion and thats pretty cool, but I'm still looking for something for a woman head priest, you're right that dryad a little bad. As I said before, Arch druid could be good if I make the consort title different.

But... Myrdynn was a person, not a title...

 

[JoeSteel]

And now i feel a fool for not checking the landed titles file..... thanks man. And to add to the debate I would think it neat if the native religion of the alans (maybe even the georgians) were changed from hellenic to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nart_saga Found out about this pantheon of gods while researching the alans and their impact on western arthurian tales. I have too much time on my hands

 

[rocketman120]

just a note: someone pointed out to me in CK2+ that the localization for a female Arch Druid is Arch Druidess. IIRC most Druidic practitioners irl use Druid as a gender neutral title. I notice Dictionary.com has an entry on Druidess, however, so I could be wrong, but the origin date is 200 years after the origin date of the word Druid so it's likely the result of someone insisting that women must be called something else and is likely erroneous.

Just figured I should let you know.

I don't really think it matters, because nobody really knows that the druids were called (the word druid comes from an exonym used by the Greeks and Romans). Furthermore, these positions would have been male-only, but in the mod they can be inherited by women, so that'd give the makers some leeway to create their own term for a female druid.

 

[superskierpat]

I think this argument should be had somewhere else.

Oh and a question: what's the console command for the druidic faith? Like the norse have norse_pagan(_reformed) etc.

It's simply druidic(_reformed)

Hopefully more appropriate laurel combined with the secespita, which apparently functioned as one of the badges of office for the Roman Pontifex Maximus. Tested in-game, looks pretty good I think.

Thanks, I'll try it out ingame!

First off let me just thank you for doing this mod and adding a whole new realm of possibilities to this already crazy historical adventure of a game. Secondly, sorry if this is off topic but as a (novice) modder I was simply wondering how I go about adding holy sites. I am ashamed to admit it but I have not found anything in the files that gave me even a hint of where to go so i'm forced to ask the person who worked on arguably the best religion mod for the game. So where in the files would I go to add holy sites for my religion?

You're very welcome and yes, like Nivve said, landed_titles.

But... Myrdynn was a person, not a title...

http://www.grahamphillips.net/merlin/merlin2.htm
Read under the historical merlin part, this is not my actual source, but I first read the theory in a book on the celts, the theory being that Merlin was actually a title and not a name.

And now i feel a fool for not checking the landed titles file..... thanks man. And to add to the debate I would think it neat if the native religion of the alans (maybe even the georgians) were changed from hellenic to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nart_saga Found out about this pantheon of gods while researching the alans and their impact on western arthurian tales. I have too much time on my hands

Well, that makes anew religion to add to the list xD But should I use Ossetian, armenian or another kind of paganism?

I don't really think it matters, because nobody really knows that the druids were called (the word druid comes from an exonym used by the Greeks and Romans). Furthermore, these positions would have been male-only, but in the mod they can be inherited by women, so that'd give the makers some leeway to create their own term for a female druid.

Well I do believe the greek word comes from the real celtic word, but nonetheless, for clarities sake, I'll probably keep Druidess.

 

[rocketman120]

Well, that makes anew religion to add to the list xD But should I use Ossetian, armenian or another kind of paganism?

Ossetian, Armenian, and Georgian paganism would be good ones to recreate. Ossetian might be fairly easy too, as the Ossetians still had theirs well into the middle ages, and the myths survived into modern times.

 

[superskierpat]

Ossetian, Armenian, and Georgian paganism would be good ones to recreate. Ossetian might be fairly easy too, as the Ossetians still had theirs well into the middle ages, and the myths survived into modern times.

I would prefer only having one for all of the caucasian, since I am already doing hellenic and assyrian paganism in that general area, which one do you consider most apropriate?

 

[theStormWeaver]

http://www.grahamphillips.net/merlin/merlin2.htm
Read under the historical merlin part, this is not my actual source, but I first read the theory in a book on the celts, the theory being that Merlin was actually a title and not a name.

Well I do believe the greek word comes from the real celtic word, but nonetheless, for clarities sake, I'll probably keep Druidess.

That just makes it sound like Merlin/Myrdynn was a nick-name, like The Great, The Lion, and The Dragon. I'll take your word for it that your source presents a more convincing argument.

You are correct here, the Greek derives from the Celtic.

 

[superskierpat]

That just makes it sound like Merlin/Myrdynn was a nick-name, like The Great, The Lion, and The Dragon. I'll take your word for it that your source presents a more convincing argument.

As I said earlier, I do have to extrapolate alot of this stuff, so sometimes I just use the rule of cool, and this seems to work nicely.

Plus it makes sense that the new head druid of a druidic church would want to legitimate his power by approaching it to one of the most famous druids in history.

 

[Jango40]

Ossetian, Armenian, and Georgian paganism would be good ones to recreate. Ossetian might be fairly easy too, as the Ossetians still had theirs well into the middle ages, and the myths survived into modern times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossetians
well according to wiki, it still exists

 

[theStormWeaver]

As I said earlier, I do have to extrapolate alot of this stuff, so sometimes I just use the rule of cool, and this seems to work nicely.

Plus it makes sense that the new head druid of a druidic church would want to legitimate his power by approaching it to one of the most famous druids in history.

Suppose that makes sense, Ceasar and Augustus eventually became titles adopted by the imperial administration to legitimize rule and other stuff. (see the Tetrarchy).

 

[superskierpat]

I just adapted parts of a rather popular vanilla event chain to the intricacies of the druidic faith, have fun finding it if you're playing the beta

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossetians
well according to wiki, it still exists

I believe I'll add Ossetian to the list then.

Suppose that makes sense, Ceasar and Augustus eventually became titles adopted by the imperial administration to legitimize rule and other stuff. (see the Tetrarchy).

That was pretty much my reasoning.

 

[Montezuma II]

this may have been answered already but...can Hellenics restore the Roman Empire with LOR?

 

[Kapitalisti]

this may have been answered already but...can Hellenics restore the Roman Empire with LOR?

According to the mod files yes.

restore_roman_empire = {
is_high_prio = yes
potential = {
has_dlc = "Legacy of Rome"
age = 16
prisoner = no
NOT = { trait = incapable }
NOT = { has_global_flag = rome_restored }
OR = {
has_landed_title = e_byzantium
has_landed_title = e_latin_empire
}
OR = {
religion_group = christian
religion_group = pagan_group

 

[Tuskin38]

religion_group = pagan_group

So really any Pagan religion controlling the Latin Empire or Byzantium empire can restore it now.

Time to create a Norse Roman Empire.

 

[Galaahd]

I have a suggestion to expand the flavour associated with the Hellenic polytheism. It'd be good to have the possibility to re-create the oracles of the Sibyl at Cumae (Neapolis) and the Oracle of Delphi (I don't remember what are the holy sites for the hellenic religion, but both should be holy sites).

Once you've re-created the Oracles, you should be able to visit the Sibyl / Oracle to receive your prophecy, once per lifetime, similar to how christians can go on pilgrimage to Holy Sites. Then you'd receive your prophecy, which might vary a lot and which have a different impact on your character. It might be incoherent hogwash, very scary, disappointing, make you ambitious... there are many possibilities.