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mehmet12 said:
Also, has anyone thought of any other paths Greece could take? Venizelist (including claims on Cyprus, maybe), Communist, or maybe even a new Byzantine empire? :D

Yes, but we also could make events for smaller nations, that Turkey and Greece simply don't crush them and then fight each other
 

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Greco-Bulgarian peace -event

Code:
##### BULGARIAN EVENT

event = {
	id = 17003
	random = no
	country = BUL

	trigger = {
		war = { country = GRE country = BUL }
			AND = {
				lost_national = { country = BUL value = 49 } # half of Bulgarian national provinces has fallen
		}
		}

	name = "Greco-Bulgarian war - offering peace"
	desc = "After start of Greco-Bulgarian war our army has taken many bitter defeats. Bulgarian imperial army has lost most of it's manpower and equipment. Now Greece army is threating our last areas and we have two possiblities - sue for peace and offering southern provinces or fight to bitter end."
	picture = "Bitter_Peace"
	style = 0

	date = { day = 2 month = january year = 1936 }
	offset = 10 # event don't launch immediate, but after few days yes.
	deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 2199 }

	action_a = {
		name = "Sue for peace"
		ai_chance = 85
		command = { type = dissent value = 15 } # defeat isn't very popular ;)
		command = { type = trigger which = 17004 } # GRE
	}
	action_c = {
		name = "If these are only chances, I'll fight to bitter end!"
		ai_chance = 15
		command = { type = dissent value = 30 } # fighting when nation is almost defeated is not very good for morale...
		command = { type = add_division which = "Mobilized reserves" value = infantry when = 1 }
		command = { type = add_division which = "Mobilized civil guard" value = militia when = 0 }
		command = { type = domestic which = democratic value = -3 }
		command = { type = domestic which = freedom value = -3 }
	}
}

##### GREECE EVENT

event = {
	id = 17004
	random = no
	country = GRE

	trigger = {
	# triggered by Bulgaria
		}

	name = "Bulgaria offers peace"
	desc = "After start of Greco-Bulgarian war Bulgarian army has taken many bitter defeats. Bulgarian imperial army has lost most of it's manpower and equipment. Bulgarian military command understands our superiority and offers peace. They offer peace and Gorna Dzhumaya, Plovdid and Varna."
	picture = "Bitter_Peace"
	style = 0

	action_a = {
		name = "Accept peace"
		ai_chance = 85
		command = { type = peace which = BUL value = 1 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 17005 } # BUL
		command = { type = addcore which = 416 } # Gorna Dzhumaya 
		command = { type = addcore which = 421 } # Plovdid 
		command = { type = addcore which = 422 } # Varna 
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Don't accept"
		ai_chance = 15
		command = { type = dissent value = 10 } # possiblities to peace, but anyway war doesn't make Greece people happy
		command = { type = trigger which = 17006 } # BUL
	}
}

##### BULGARIAN EVENT

event = {
	id = 17005
	random = no
	country = BUL

	trigger = {
	# triggered by Greece
		}

	name = "Greece accepted"
	desc = "our generous peace offer."
	style = 0

	action_a = {
		name = "Half Bulgaria is better than one"
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = GRE value = 416 }
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = GRE value = 421 }
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = GRE value = 422 }
	}
}

##### BULGARIAN EVENT

event = {
	id = 17006
	random = no
	country = BUL

	trigger = {
	# triggered by Greece
		}

	name = "Greece declined"
	desc = "our generous peace offer."
	style = 0

	action_a = {
		name = "Let's pray!"
		command = { type = dissent value = 15 } # defeat calls...
	}
}

I like that idea megalist Greece vs Bulgaria... maybe we should make event which launches that war... maybe...

EDIT: Could we do something to Soviet power. Their army just destroyed Greece. I don't mean that we should make Soviet weaker, but guarantees make Anatolian warfare very hard. There you see what I mean - I played as Greece and Soviets declared war when I was fighting against, was it Cappadocia or something like it...
 
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Meh. That's annoying. Maybe we should make it so that the USSR has non-agression pacts against every Anatolian nation? That might smooth things out.
I'm reluctant to bring Bulgaria into this war. Maybe Turkey can use them as an ally, but then that would draw Turkey into the Axis and the entire balance of the game would be ruined.
I thought, if Greece makes a Byzantine Empire, that will be led by Georgios II of Greece. Now, Pontus is ruled by another old Greek monarchy- one of the branches of the Komemnos family. Maybe Greece and Pontus could have a war to decide what house will rule the new Byzantine Empire?
I've got loads of royal ministers for Pontus now, as well as some more Greek monarchs (including the Greek King Pavlos who never took the throne since the Axis powers took Greece and occupied it).
Cappadocia can only go two ways in this mod- Turkish Orthodox or Greek Orthodox. A monarchist or communist Cappadocia is out of the question because there are very few records of the Cappadocian independence movement.
Maybe we could add some more nations which can be liberated? Not to start off with, but as puppets, such as Lazistan, Lycia etc.
1) Isn't Ioannina's right name Janina
2) There could be forts in few provinces, for example Bursa (guarding pass to Constantinople)
3) In Athens there's 7 IC, in Constantinople only 4. Manpower are 6 and 1. Why not move some IC and manpower to Constantinople, maybe Athens: 5 IC 4 Manpower, Constantinople 6 IC 4 manpower
4) I have one event idea, it adds Vlorë to Greece nationalprovinces...
Since you've downloaded the INC files, why don't you change those as you see necessary. I'm not very good at those kind of modifications- and I haven't played the mod enough as Greece or Turkey to know.
At the moment I'm just finding as many ministers as I can for each nation.
Since we have Pontus, Cappadocia, Assyria as nations, that is proving quite hard work. But I am doing what I can :)
 

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mehmet12 said:
Since you've downloaded the INC files, why don't you change those as you see necessary. I'm not very good at those kind of modifications- and I haven't played the mod enough as Greece or Turkey to know.

Allright I made them, if you want I can send them to you..
 
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I'm pretty sure it will- I play it all the time with Doomsday 1.0.
If you want, the beta is downloadable but there are a few glitches with it.
As an Armenian I'm sure you'll be pleased to know Armenia has loads and loads of leaders and new techteams, and is quite fun to play- though my personal preference would be Assyria or Pontus :)
And Miihkali- if you could send the files to the same email address I gave you, that would be great!
I'm just working on more Pontine monarchs at the moment. Maybe I could invent a monarchy for Cappadocia...
 

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Miihkali said:
Could we do something to Soviet power. Their army just destroyed Greece. I don't mean that we should make Soviet weaker, but guarantees make Anatolian warfare very hard. There you see what I mean - I played as Greece and Soviets declared war when I was fighting against, was it Cappadocia or something like it...

The Soviet AI is coded to attack countries that attack Turkey or Persia/Iran. This is meant to represent them insisting on those countries remaining as buffer states, so for example Britain can't invade Iran or Germany invade Turkey without a Soviet reaction. Here is how you change the AI so it won't do this any more:

1. Make an "\ai\" subfolder in "\MODS\Anatolian Wars Mod Beta Release\" subfolder.
2. Copy the file sov_1936.ai from the regular \ai\ subfolder to \MODS\Anatolian Wars Mod Beta Release\ai\
3. Open the file sov_1936.ai for editing. Find the line "protect = {", then go down a few lines until you find the line "TUR = 80". Delete that line. You probably want to delete the line "PER = 80" too.

Now you should be able to fight Turkey or Persia without the Soviets DOW'ing you.

Another problem is that the Soviet AI won't realize it should garrison its borders with you. It's only expecting to be bordering Turkey, not U00. So...

Find the line "# Borders with specific countries". In my file, it was line 621 before I deleted PER = 80 and TUR = 80, so it's a loooong way down.
Go down to the end of the list, where it says BUL = 15. (Actually it doesn't matter where you put this, as long as it's inside the { }, but we'll put it at the end to be tidy.)

add several lines, so that
Code:
		BUL = 15
	}
becomes
Code:
		BUL = 15
		GRE = 15
		KUR = 15
		ARM = 15
		U00 = 15
		U01 = 15
		U02 = 15
	}
You can replace 15 with 20, or 100, or any number. I just picked 15 because it was the priority given to Bulgaria.
Now the Soviets should make rational decisions about whether to garrison the borders of their new neighbours.
 

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Greece flag should be like this
gr-alt.gif


There's flag/shield combo made by Mumia
greeceszv2.png

greecefbk3.png


it was used 1828-1978
 
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Yeah, that's the flag we're using already. But thanks anyway.
And thanks, Britnavfan, but I'm a little worried- surely the fact that the USSR has an ai file in the game, that means all the new nations have to have them too- or is there perhaps some generic ai file which contains basic instructions for defence, attack etc when the ai rules any old country?
I never could understand AI files. :(
Some excellent news though- after searching loads of websites, I have managed to add loads of new Pontine ministers and leaders, including even extra members of the Pontine royal family- Eugene II's son as successor or his sister, Ioanna, as crown princess.
Some of them were so difficult to find I wouldn't have done it without books on Pontus and Trabzon- I don't think I can get any more ministers for Pontus.
How about making Pontus have an event when it can select whether it can have terretorial claims on Tblisi, with intent to liberate Georgia? After all, I have put plenty of Georgian Ministers in the Pontine cabinet.
Likewise, I have filled an entire cabinet with extra ministers for Cappadocia- in Northern Cappadocia there is a seminary, Hadjibektash, which is the main holy place of pilgrimage for Bektashi Muslims.
Now, Bektashism is a kind of Sufism and was therefore banned by Ataturk in Turkey. However, it flourished in Albania, Bosnia, and Kosovo.
Therefore, I thought Cappadocia can have a choice in an event to be Bektashi, with maybe even an alliance with Albania and terretorial claims on Kosovo and Bosnia, to make some kind of Pan-Bektashi Muslim state.
That would bring the Balkans into this conflict without knocking Greece out of the war- imagine if Cappadocia were to actually secure a Bektashi empire!
Anyway, I've got loads of ministers for that case, meaning that Cappadocia now has three paths to take in this mod.
This means that this mod now adds 85 ministers to the game! Huzzah! :)
 

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mehmet12 said:
Yeah, that's the flag we're using already. But thanks anyway.

That flag hasn't come with BETA :(

mehmet12 said:
Therefore, I thought Cappadocia can have a choice in an event to be Bektashi, with maybe even an alliance with Albania and terretorial claims on Kosovo and Bosnia, to make some kind of Pan-Bektashi Muslim state.
That would bring the Balkans into this conflict without knocking Greece out of the war- imagine if Cappadocia were to actually secure a Bektashi empire!
Anyway, I've got loads of ministers for that case, meaning that Cappadocia now has three paths to take in this mod.

Yup, good idea, but doesn't that lead Pontus war against Italy when Italy conquers Albania. Or shall we make there trigger, that if Albania and Pontus have allied, Italy leaves Albania alone
 
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No, it's Cappadocia with Albania.
Basically, when Cappadocia's multi-choice event comes up, there will be three choices.
The Turkish Orthodox one will result in an alliance with Turkey
The Greek Orthodox one will result in joining the Greece-Pontus alliance
The Bektashi one will result in an alliance with Albania, and better relations with Turkey.
Basically, the stakes for every nation get higher when their event appears, as every nation will be forced into an alliance of some sort. By about 1939, every Anatolian nation will have some predetermined course in the impending war.
I was thinking, we would have to write an event for Albania, too.
Since the two nations will both have Bektashi and Albanian Nationalist ideals, Albania shall claim Skopje and Podgorica.
Cappadocia can claim all Bosnia and Kosovo. We should also make Cappadocia good friends with Kurdistan- they are led by a Kurdish Sufi Sheikh as well.
 

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mehmet12 said:
I'm pretty sure it will- I play it all the time with Doomsday 1.0.
If you want, the beta is downloadable but there are a few glitches with it.
As an Armenian I'm sure you'll be pleased to know Armenia has loads and loads of leaders and new techteams, and is quite fun to play- though my personal preference would be Assyria or Pontus :)
I'll wait for the full version to be released, good luck!
 

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mehmet12 said:
And thanks, Britnavfan, but I'm a little worried- surely the fact that the USSR has an ai file in the game, that means all the new nations have to have them too- or is there perhaps some generic ai file which contains basic instructions for defence, attack etc when the ai rules any old country?
There's a generic AI file for countries that don't have one of their own - ai\minor_default.ai .
mehmet12 said:
Some excellent news though- after searching loads of websites, I have managed to add loads of new Pontine ministers and leaders, including even extra members of the Pontine royal family- Eugene II's son as successor or his sister, Ioanna, as crown princess.
:cool:
mehmet12 said:
How about making Pontus have an event when it can select whether it can have terretorial claims on Tblisi, with intent to liberate Georgia? After all, I have put plenty of Georgian Ministers in the Pontine cabinet.
I think it's reasonable for just about any of the Eastern Orthodox countries to have territorial claims on just about any stretch of Soviet-held Eastern Orthodox territory. They would have been greeted as liberators by people who'd been "discouraged" from going to their old churches by the Communists, and they wouldn't have abused that gratitude as the Germans historically did. Each would (I think) have seen the other as part of the same "family" of peoples, as the Russians do their "little brothers" in Bulgaria and the Serbia.
 
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Quite. Especially since Greek and Georgian Orthodox Churches are actually theologically pretty similar- it would be more unreasonable to expect Greek Orthodox to support a Monophysite church like the Copts, Armenians, Ethiopians, or Assyrians, though.

Good news, as well!
Twenty new ministers added to Assyria

Big, big news here!
Jebel al-Druze is now included in this mod!
They own Tripoli (Lebanon), Hims and Aleppo, with terretorial claims on Gaziantep and Beirut- they'll also be very friendly to the Assyrians and Israelis (if Israel is liberated in 1947, that is).
I thought it a much more interesting alternative than Hatay or Syria- it also means France is weaker in the Middle East and so other powers can have more to do with Assyria and Jebel al Druze without risking the Allies attacking them.
I've already filled up two cabinets' worth of ministers for this nation and am making a skin.
When somebody said 'this mod will rock', they were right, it seems! ;)
 

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I was thinking about the possibility for the turks to seek an alliance with Bulgaria. That could force the greeks to ally Romania and Yugoslavia. Then the turks and bulgarians could ally Hungary. the we'll have a llittle axis consisting of Turkey (all governments except the communist one could get this option), Bulgaria and Hungary and an entente consisting of Greece, Romania and Yugoslavia.

What about removing the french and brittish protectorates in the levant all together and introduce a lot of levantine countries too.
 

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mehmet12 said:
Jebel al-Druze is now included in this mod!

They should then have bad relations with almost all nations, because there's huge religious minorities in this area, and also Druzes haven't religious relations with other people, because Lebanese religions almost hate themselves. also, why they have territorial claims on Gaziantep? There's no Druzes outside Lebanon so much

There's also few lines of HoI code, paste them to Greece file before country = etc information. It moves IC from Athens to Constantinople and adds fortress in Bursa

Code:
province = { id = 401 ic = -2 }
province = { id = 409 ic = 2 }
province = { id = 409 manpower = 6 }
province = { id = 401 manpower = 5 }

province = {	id = 408	landfort = 5	} # Bursa
 
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Thanks- I have added it to the .INC file :)
I know there aren't that many Druze outside Lebanon and Syria, but Jebel Al Druze was also seen as a safe land for Nusairis and Alauite Muslims- there are plenty of those in Hatay and Gaziantep. Also, there'd be little point having Jebel Al Druze in this nation if it didn't have anything to do with Anatolia.
A bit more action in the far South of Turkey would make the gameplay much more fun ;)

Jebel Al Druze controls Aleppo, Hims, and Tripoli (Lebanon)- what units should it have on those provinces?
 

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mehmet12 said:
Thanks- I have added it to the .INC file :)

BTW, also chance in "province_names.csv" Ioannina to Janina...

mehmet12 said:
A bit more action in the far South of Turkey would make the gameplay much more fun ;)

Will Jebel al-Druze be French puppet or part of allies? Or allied with some anatolian nation? Also, I'd like event where Iraq and Jebel al-Druze leave allies and form their own alliance :D

mehmet12 said:
Jebel Al Druze controls Aleppo, Hims, and Tripoli (Lebanon)- what units should it have on those provinces?

Because there's not very much Druzes, they have low manpower. So how about only very few, but well trained divisions, like 1936 infantry or 1939 cavalry?
 
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Good idea. After all, their top sheikh al-Atrash was a cavalryman first and foremost :)
I was thinking, Jebel-al-Druze will be very friendly with France, like Assyria, but not a puppet.
France will have to put more troops on Syria because of Assyria and Jebel-al-Druze.
Iraq and Jebel allying would be interesting, to say the least- so maybe Jebel's three choices can be:
- Ally with Iraq (Allies-friendly local alliance)
- Ally with Vichy France (and gain Golan, Beirut and Israel)
- Stay as they are (i.e probably ally with Assyria)

I've already got 17 ministers for the Druze, but I don't think I'll get many more than that.
 

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About turkish events: should we use localflag-commands in Atatürk died because I think there should be some unicue events for panturanists, ottamans and kemalists.