Anatolian Wars Mod

[unmerged(64836)]

I've added ministers for Caucasian nations, do I send them to you?

Can you upload what you've done so far and send me the download link by PM?
I mean, I'm not really willing to release version 1.2 until we fully have finished all the nations- and I'm still working on Hatay and the two Ukraines.

From what I know, Makhno signed some kind of pact with the Soviets for the duration the USSR was fighting the Ukranian National Republic and the Ukranian Hetmanate. Maybe we can say that during this reality, the Ukranians defeated the Soviets, who had to use Makhno's Ukraine as a buffer state? That would be plausible, I suppose.
Kalmykia I've mainly kept because it's a nice little buffer between the USSR and the Caucasus. The earliest versions of this mod nearly always ended in a Soviet domination of the Near East, so I figured we needed to keep the Soviets as far away as possible. That's why we added all those nations around the Black Sea- so the USSR couldn't interfere.
I thought Idel-Ural was Chuvash, Mari, Bashkir, Tatar, and Udmurt? The Kalmyks are way further south than that- not near the Urals at all. I'll be using that historical excuse this time for why Kalmykia exists. Either way, we need something between the USSR and Azeri Republic.

*goes off to make skins for all these new nations*

 

[Miihkali]

OK. I've sent files to you.

 

[yourworstnightm]

The peoples of the Idel Ural state were Tatars, Bashkirs, Chuvashes, Maris, Udmurts, Mordvins, Komis, komi-Permyaks and Kalmyks. So the kalmyks were a part of that project IRL. However in our timeline the tatars was perhaps more unvilling to invite other tribes in the projects and therefor Kalmykia founded their own independence. When the tatars were crushed the kalmyks survived. On the topic, what kind of people were the political elite of the kalmyks? I must admit I know almost nothing about them.

 

[unmerged(64836)]

The Kalmyks are very, very interesting.
Basically, their name 'Kalmyk' means, 'the forgotten' in Oirat Mongolian- because the Oirat Mongol people migrated there in the Middle Ages and left in around the 16th or 17th century, leaving the Kalmyks behind. As well as being the only Buddhist nation in Europe, they had a powerful leadership of skilled horsemen right up until the 1910s- I've found a Kalmyk prince and princess I've used for the minister file as well as many prominent Buddhist Lamas who would have led the Kalmyk Nation.
Unfortunately as with the Kuban, the exact amount of self-rule Kalmykia had during the 1919-22 civil war period was relatively minimal, meaning that most Kalmyk ministers I have are the possible leaders of the nation the Nazi Germans proposed to create after they had driven the USSR beyond the Ural Mountains.
On the subject of this mod, though, I think we really need to decide what we're doing with Ukraine.
After looking at how the borders are arranged, there's very little space left in Ukraine for any Ukranian Nations without seriously messing up the German-USSR war which we still intend to have as part of the game. In fact, the only reason we included any Ukranian nations was because we didn't want the Soviets to be too powerful in the Black Sea.
The USSR still has Oddessa though- I would put the Turkic Nation of Gagauzia there but there simply isn't enough information about them anywhere- not even on Moldovan or Romanian sites. How about we put Makhno's nation there?

 

[Miihkali]

That Anarchist nation? Then dissent should be 100! (quite stupid, anarchists and their leader is dictator )

 

[yourworstnightm]

A lot of kalmyks also were a part of the Don host, perhaps we should have a cossack alliance consisting of the three cossack nations. Two samll Ukraine nations is good, both have cores on all Ukrainan national territory (which include Galizia and Bessarabia, so wars with poles and romanians are not out of the question). They should both hate eachother of course. Perhaps the anarchsist should have bad relations with USSR, and instead try to ally with Georgia, if they choose the left wing radical way. Another interresting thing could be a communist coup in one o the ukrainean countries, here of course the player has a chioce to decide if it' succesful or not.

To much more important questions, how are the work with israel and the arabs going??

 

[Miihkali]

I've now finished events for Cossacks, as well many new events, ministers etc. for nations you have sent to me Mehmet. Do you want I send files so far to you?

 

[unmerged(64836)]

Sure- that would be good.
I'm adding Makhnovschina (the Ukranian Anarchist Nation)- it'll be added around Odessa so that the USSR is totally cut off from the Black Sea.
I've also found loads more Kalmyk leaders and ministers- so we can add them too.
If you want- I have loads more nation descriptions and new propaganda pics for the new nations we added. Also I may add Hatay but I'm not sure.

Also- some issues with an event you did:

The event which has Assyria choosing a new leader has one wrong minister- Aphrem Barsoum should be replaced by a new minister I've got- the Assyrian Chaldean Patriarch.

 

[Miihkali]

OK. I have now sent files to you in PM.

 

[unmerged(64836)]

I think we will just have to do this so that I give you pictures and minister files I make, and you add them to the mod. Whenever I try and load the most recent installation of the mod you've given me, I keep getting errors, especially to do with the Industry_tech.txt file and the Black_Sea events file. If I delete them and try to load the game without them, the game crashes- and I don't know how to fix them.
I'll just give you all of what I've done, which includes:

• New assyrian ministers
• New Kuban and Don leaders
• Mountainous North Caucasus ministers and leaders
• More Turkish and Azeri leaders
• Kalmyk leaders and ministers
• nation descriptions for every nation which doesn't have one
• Makhnovschchina (Makhno's Anarchists) minister and leader files
• Propaganda pics for all nations

 

[Miihkali]

Hmmm? Very strange! I never get any error messages. Does it give error messages about AI files? I tried to make some kind of AI files. Does it give any information about reasons why it crashes? I'll try to send you fixed one. Actually, industry_tech.txt shouldn't come with you, I just tried to modify it You have Doomsday (not Armageddon)? But I haven't modified any things which should be different in DD or Arma. Could you please check _every_ error message and send them to me?
EDIT: And what's wrong with the Black_Sea event file?
EDIT2: More accurately: you said that there's problems especially in Black_Sea and industry_tech... But are there problems in other files, or just in these two?

 

[unmerged(64836)]

Here's one of them^

I replaced the 'industry_tech.txt' file with the vanilla one, and it still crashed. So it must be a problem with my version of the game. Maybe it got corrupted sometime. I'll reinstall HoI2D and then install the new files for the mod you sent me.

Anyway, since I will be carefully removing all my files so they don't get deleted when I reinstall, can you please add:

Kalmykia (U06)- It should control Enotaevka, Bashanta, Elista, and Astrakhan with Elista as its capital (I've completed cabinet, leaders, nation description)

MRNC (U07)- Controls Grozny and Voroshilovsk (renamed Stavropol) with claims on Maikop, Nalchik, Malakhchkala and Armavil- capital at Grozny.
I've finished the cabinet and leaders for this nation.

 

[Miihkali]

Nonononono! no! don't install that version. It's 'corrupted' by Armageddon things. I'll try to make another one, without Armageddon thingies. I'll send a new files to you.

 

[unmerged(64836)]

Thanks- I'll load them and try them out.

Kuban Cossack Propaganda Poster (propaganda_U03.bmp)

Kuban Cossacks
The Kuban is a vast, highly fertile region of coastal plains rolling down to the Black Sea. The foothills of the Caucasus Mountains to the South and the deserts of Kalmykia to the East put it at a strategic advantage- it is bordered by the River Don in the North and therefore is a simple area strategically to defend.
Like many areas of the Caucasus, the Kuban is not racially homogenous. Russians, Circassians, Balkars, Kabardins, and numerous other ethnic groups live there, but historically this region was a Cossack one, regardless of what language its inhabitants spoke. Catherine the Great of Russia gave the Kuban Cossack Host and its Hetman more or less free reign over these territories- the Cossacks know the region so well that it is only they who can effectively govern it. Fierce and proud horsemen, Cossacks from the Kuban were famed in the Tsarist army and were even bodyguards for the Tsar's family. Because of this alleigance, Cossack Regiments were almost always fighting for the White Forces in the Russian Civil War, which earned them much mistrust from the Bolsheviks, who were brutal to the local populace in the Cossack villages they managed to seize.
On the 16th of January 1918 the Kuban Judiciary Council proclaimed the Kuban National Republic, a fully independent Cossack State encompassing not only the Kuban, but territories reaching all the way to Dagestan. The nation has renounced such territorial claims, but was able to defeat the invading Soviets. When it became clear from the destruction of Wrangel's forces in Ukraine by the Soviets in 1919, the Kuban Republic renounced its support for the White Russian cause and declared neutrality. The leaders of the Republic knew full well that if they did not, the Soviets would ultimately destroy them- the Bolsheviks had even planned to establish a Kubano-Soviet Black Sea Republic for the workers of the Kuban but a peace treaty in 1923 with the Kuban Cossacks left the nation free to embark its first years of Statehood.
It is only now, however, when the problems of war have been solved, that the leading Cossacks such as Bukretov and Bardykh have begun to realise the problems of peace. Land reforms carried out by Nicholas II caused a migration of thousands of Ukranians to the Kuban, causing unrest and dissent when problems with land ownership arose. The Cossack ruling class still has a firm grip on power and the military, but the Ukranians and local peasant inhabitants may not tolerate this for much longer. The USSR still controls a large army it will not be afraid to use, and the Mensheviks in Georgia to the South may also encourage the Kuban's workers to rise up. With the rising tide of dissent from abroad and from the masses, all the Cossack nations may have to unite to survive.

^ Kuban Cossack Republic description

Menshevik Georgia propaganda poster (propaganda_GEO.bmp)

Azeri Republic propaganda poster (propaganda_AZB.bmp)

Azeri Republic
Azerbajian is culturally and economically a Central Asian Nation. Unlike its neighbours Georgia and Armenia it has never had a long history as a unified nation state or indeed as a series of principalities as parts of Georgia were. Historically, the region was renowned for its natural gas deposits, which is what made Baku a wealthy city and which is why the area is still revered by Zoroastrians and Muslims alike. Arab travellers praised the Azeris for their culture and wealth, but with aggression from Persia and Russia, the Azeris' fortunes declined and their lands shrunk.
By the Russian Civil War of 1919-1921, Azerbajian was declared independent as the Azeri Democratic Republic- it fared better than similar movements by Turkic Muslims in Central Asia such as the Basmachi Revolt of Enver Pasha and the uprisings in Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan which plagued the early and mid 1920s of Soviet Central Asia. Throughout its history, Azerbajian had looked East- to the cities of Samarkand, Fergana, and Bukhara. However, this tradition has had to change- now all the East brings Azerbajian is worries about Soviet expansion and oil from the Caspian Sea- its main revenue.
The Azeris are a Turkic speaking people and had the problem shared with the Assyrians and Armenians of large numbers of their compatriots living outside their borders- North Western Persia was referred to by nationalists as Southern Azerbajian and the enclave of Nakhchevian near Mount Ararat was under Armenian Control. Likewise, Armenian enclaves in Karabagh caused unrest and dissent between the two populations. However, the Caucasus has never been racially homogenous- its people speaking a Babel of languages, the fledgling Azeri Republic- its independence only just secured from the Soviets in 1922- rules large areas of Daghestan and its neighbours mistrust it- feeling that Topchubashev and more nationalist leaders will incite Azeris all across the Transcaucasus to rise up and unite- not dissimilar to the Turanist movement in Turkey.
Armenia and Kurdistan are two nations which block the Azeri Republic from its Turkic comrades in Ataturk's Turkey- military unison may be sufficient only for intimidation, but if Turkey is partitioned at the hands of the Greeks the Azeris will be left with no possible allies. Ataturk's Turkey was what encouraged Azerbajian to embark on its course of rapid industrialisation and secular modernisation- a process which cost many lives but rose nationalism amongst young Azeris. Students, workers, and farmers are calling out for reform- but what does this mean? The Communists will want one reform, the Turanists and Nationalists another. Either way, the futures of Turkey and the Azeri Republic are intertwined.

^ Azeri Republic description

Tatar Crimea propaganda poster (propaganda_U04.bmp)

More to follow!


... and an excellent event photo if you need one for Tatar Crimea becoming Communist: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Crimean_Tatar_language.JPG/607px-

 

[Miihkali]

Great! Thanks! I hope you get it working!
edit:by the way, can you send kalmyk + mtnc files to me?

 

[unmerged(64836)]

Have sent you the Kalmykia files, with a nation description and propaganda poster.
MRNC is more difficult- I have also included the leaders of the former Caucasian Emirate for a fundamentalist option, meaning that maybe the Saudis can have a friend in the Caucasus?
Sorry for the wait, Kalmykia was really difficult to find information for, but I have a standard sized cabinet with around 18-22 ministers in it, including paternal autocrat and left-wing radical.

Here are some more nation descriptions:

Cappadocia
An island of Greek Orthodoxy in predominantly Muslim Central Anatolia, Cappadocia was cut off from the change of Anatolia's religion by virtue of its inaccessibility. Mountains and valleys kept Cappadocian Monks such as St Basil and St Gregory Nazianzos hidden from the purges of enemy forces, and the unique landscape of Cappadocia was traditionally used for such purposes. Iconoclasm never reached the hidden cave churches here- carved solid out of the rock- during the Byzantine Era. The Hittites and pre-Roman peoples here hollowed houses, stables, churches, schools, kitches, and temples out of the soft sandstone, leading many Cappadocians to live as trogdolytes well into the 20th century. Volcanic activity and weathering created deep valleys rich in mineral ores and precious metals, and the fertile valley floors had been growing vines and orchards since Hittite Times.
So isolated from the rest of Anatolia, not only were many Cappadocians totally cut off from their Ottoman Masters, but were even cut off from their Byzantine ones- leading to the Cappadocians speaking their own version of the Greek language and retaining a distinct culture from their fellow Hellenes in Athens and Smyrna. Maintaining the true Cappadocian tradition of autonomy, this land was a vassal under the Romans and can be- and never has been- fully conquered by anyone. The rising urban classes of the cities of Kayseri, Nevsehir, and the others surrounding the 'Cappadocian triangle' strove for self-determination after identifying with the Venizelist cause and seeing the success of the Pontines further to the north. With the fragmentation of Ottoman power after the First World War, a rising urban class led by the clergy pressed for the autonomy of the Cappadocian nation. Surprisingly, this came as independence after the defeat of Turkey in the Greco-Turkish War in 1923, and the clergy, aligned with Greece, strove for an industrialised nation- with the cultural heart still remaining in the central valleys and the industry and intelligensia residing in the outer cities.
However, Cappadocia still has a large Turkish population- leading to the segregation between the Turkish Muslims and Orthodox Christians. By the 1930s, a radical clergy had rose to power, and Cappadocia became an autocratic state led along theocratic lines and controlled by petty warlords and the ominpotent Orthodox clergy. The secular movement had been destroyed, and Cappadocian society was starkly divided. Many Cappadocians were beginning to question why they should be backing the Greeks of Constantinople and Trebizond, with whom they culturally shared little. Centuries of isolation had produced relatively peaceful relations with their Turkish neighbours and some Cappadocians felt closer alleigance to the Kemalists. In 1924, backed by Kemalist Turkey, the Turkish Orthodox Church was created as a movement for 'loyal Turks and devout Rumler [Orthodox Christians from Turkey]'. A Cappadocian priest was elected as Patriarch Efthemios I, and pursued a vigorous anti-Venizelist campaign.
With Turkey or with Greece- for the first time in its ancient and rich history. This time, the Cappadocians cannot remain neutral.

^ Better Cappadocia description

Also, we need city pictures for:
Dniepropetrovsk, Yekatarinburg, Sevastopol, Samsun, Damascus, Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, Ankara, Athens, Istanbul, and Baghdad.

Also: an interesting idea- how about an event where Cyprus becomes independent and either Turkey or Greece can decide to divert funds and send spies to make it a puppet government? It could speed up war between the two- who will control Cyprus first? It's a little unrealistic that Israel and Jordan could not be in British rule and Cyprus is still a British colony, I think.

I have sent you the Tatar Crimea techteams too, by the way

 

[Carroarmato-P40]

This look like a great mod!
Keep up the good work!

 

[Miihkali]

I think Cyprus could be controlled by Turkey! This would make situation damn interesting, to give Turks possiblity to continue fighting from that island even after losing mainland. Of course Greeks would have territorial claims on it.

 

[Miihkali]

It seems that colourscales in Kalmyk flag is corrupted, so I put new request.

 

[yourworstnightm]

I think Cyprus could be controlled by Turkey! This would make situation damn interesting, to give Turks possiblity to continue fighting from that island even after losing mainland. Of course Greeks would have territorial claims on it.

That would be hard explain historically though. Cyprus was a brittish base, and the turks in this TL was'nt even able to secure the whole Anatolia. Also the greeks which hold a certain superiority in the East Mediterranean would not have accepted a turkish occupation of Cyprus (remember the greeks in this TL were able to kick the italians out of Antalya and the Dodecanese). However Cyprus is allways interresting. Cyprus coulod be a brittish ally that has a chance to go either greek (enosis) or unite with Turkey, or spark a war between greeks and turks.