Analysis of Overseas & Non-Core Penalties [Looks Bugged]

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ok, but than it's simple, like you said, the bonuses are being added.
base value of london is 11. bonus_sum = -0.75 (oversea) + -0.5 (non-core) + 0.5 (draft law) = -0.75. result = 11 + (1 + bonus_sum) = 2.75

 

[TheDarkside]

Depending on the OS you use you can get confused when meddling with the files. I experienced in Vista 64 that renaming a file to "X_old" wasn't sufficient to make the game use the (new edited) file "X". The game still used the original file despite renaming it "old". When I finally moved the "X_old" out from the folder then the game (or more correctly the OS) used the new file "X".

Yeah thats why I dont rename them and leave them. I edit files after saving backups to my usb flash drive.

But check this out: I modified SU so that Moscow is circled by a ring of foreign provinces (to break land connection) and again have overseas penalty at -100%.

Loaded as SU and started sampling provinces... anything over in Asia is 0.0/0.0
European ones are normal

 

[TheDarkside]

ok, but than it's simple, like you said, the bonuses are being added.
base value of london is 11. bonus_sum = -0.75 (oversea) + -0.5 (non-core) + 0.5 (draft law) = -0.75. result = 11 + (1 + bonus_sum) = 2.75

oh right, exactly! nice

 

[TheDarkside]

Well, new confusion...

I left Moscow circled by a ring of foreign provinces to cut them off and the overseas penalty at -100%

Then I Made every province in the game belong to Europe, while only Moscow was placed in Asia.

The result is that NO province in SU except Moscow is producing leadership/manpower. Everything else is 0.0. even Kaluga which is a short hop over one foreign province is 0.0.

So why is Kaluga 0 while Osaka for Japan was still giving leadership? I do not know... I am going to repeat the Osaka experiment to make sure I did not make any errors.

 

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Depending on the OS you use you can get confused when meddling with the files. I experienced in Vista 64 that renaming a file to "X_old" wasn't sufficient to make the game use the (new edited) file "X". The game still used the original file despite renaming it "old". When I finally moved the "X_old" out from the folder then the game (or more correctly the OS) used the new file "X".

My suspicion is that it uses all files with the correct extension, so if you rename a file but don't change its extension then it will still be used, with no control over which file takes precedence.

 

[TheDarkside]

OK, The Osaka Experiment is confirmed.

I did the same thing, I made Fukui, Nara and Kytoto Soviet provinces, this is supposed to effectively cut off Osaka and the western end of Japan from the capital by land connection.

But again, Osaka was providing MP/LDR.

I thought it might have something to do with both tokyo and osaka being coastal?

But then my next move disproved that idea: I then circled Tokyo with Soviet provinces, so Tokyo is surrounded by a ring of foreign territory like I did with Moscow. Only the sea province was open. I thought Osaka would still provide manpower/leadership but now actually Osaka is 0.0/0.0, as well as any other province besides Tokyo itself.

This means that it was not distance that played a role. There is some other mechanism at play. Unless there is a bug which caused the game to fail in recognizing that Osaka was actually cut off the first time around, when I took away Fukui, Kyoto and Nara from Japan.