An unlikely added but very cool historical event

[User29]

Mass conversion of Indonesia to Islam. I always thought this should be added instead of simply making them muslim from the start. It's the same as making northern germany, scandinavia and britain protestant from the start :/

such a shame we cant see different countries convert to islam in SE Asia. It would add a lot of flavor to the area, give players a goal to convert the area or resist and fight back the conversion. Someone has got to mod this since Paradox will most likely not put this in

Anyway, on a scale of 1-10 how likely do you guys think paradox will rectify this?
NOTE: I'm not demanding anything, but I would rank it at a 2 of likelyhood

 

[mikeydoritos]

Majapahit in central Java is Hindu in EU III. Sumatra and Borneo are completely Sunni, and the state Makassar on Sulawesi is Sunni as well. Everything else is up for colonization. I don't know a lot about Indonesian history, but how would you want to draw it up in terms of distributions of religions?

 

[mikeydoritos]

Also, I misspoke a little. Majapahit also encompasses Bali and Lombok along with the western half of Java. All Hindu provinces at the start of the game.

 

[sinugie]

Majapahit in central Java is Hindu in EU III. Sumatra and Borneo are completely Sunni, and the state Makassar on Sulawesi is Sunni as well. Everything else is up for colonization. I don't know a lot about Indonesian history, but how would you want to draw it up in terms of distributions of religions?

majapahit true it is hindu. However at the start of eu 4, which is afaik will be the second half of 15th century, majapahit is already at the brink of its collapse, and demak the precursor of sultanate of yogyakarta already achieve its semi independent status. beside of that the cirebon sultane also exist at western part of java

 

[User29]

guys, guys, Majapahit was hindu, yes, and it was declining, yes(but would last nearly a century more, so not "brink of collapse") but I'm talking about a protestant reformation type of event for SE asia allowing islam to maybe dominate java and malcca while leaving Borneo and Sumatra muslim or maybe they all convert to islam, or maybe none? just more variety than what is in game now.

If seriously attempted then trade should be a big factor involving conversion, generally trade heavy peoples(sumatara, Borneo, Malacca) who had a lot of ineractions with Islam from the huge Indian Ocean trade were heavily influenced by Muslim merchants ended up converting to Islam. so Heavy amounts of trade incoming from the trade routes should help conversion along.

 

[Kalitz]

Mass conversion of Indonesia to Islam. I always thought this should be added instead of simply making them muslim from the start. It's the same as making northern germany, scandinavia and britain protestant from the start :/

such a shame we cant see different countries convert to islam in SE Asia. It would add a lot of flavor to the area, give players a goal to convert the area or resist and fight back the conversion. Someone has got to mod this since Paradox will most likely not put this in

Anyway, on a scale of 1-10 how likely do you guys think paradox will rectify this?
NOTE: I'm not demanding anything, but I would rank it at a 2 of likelyhood

Umm, yeah, I don't think it's cool if whole region suddenly changes religion, especially so if it's stable or when you're playing it. Imagine if you are at war and your whole country converts to another religion? Maybe a chain of events where you can choose how to approach this issue would be good. Like halting, stopping or embracing the conversion.

 

[Skassi]

...If seriously attempted then trade should be a big factor involving conversion, generally trade heavy peoples(sumatara, Borneo, Malacca) who had a lot of ineractions with Islam from the huge Indian Ocean trade were heavily influenced by Muslim merchants ended up converting to Islam. so Heavy amounts of trade incoming from the trade routes should help conversion along.

Yes yes yes!!! Paradox should look into this. I think that this is fairly easy to do.

This should be a trigger event
is_hindu
is_"malasian"
trade efficiency above x/ trading in muslim owned trade post/muslims trading in your trade post?

modifier:
Religion turns to Islam
+50 trade efficiancy for 70 years?
tolerance for heathens +4 for 70 years?
.... or something

 

[Nassau]

Yes yes yes!!! Paradox should look into this. I think that this is fairly easy to do.

This should be a trigger event
is_hindu
is_"malasian"
trade efficiency above x/ trading in muslim owned trade post/muslims trading in your trade post?

modifier:
Religion turns to Islam
+50 trade efficiancy for 70 years?
tolerance for heathens +4 for 70 years?
.... or something

This should indeed be implement for parts of Asia. I they trade mainly with muslim nations, they should have a chance of becoming muslim.

Or you as player or AI should be able to send missionaries to province you nor someone else owns but you do already trade with, of borders a province you trade with. Converting a province should increase the amount of trade and chance of colonization.

 

[User29]

Umm, yeah, I don't think it's cool if whole region suddenly changes religion, especially so if it's stable or when you're playing it. Imagine if you are at war and your whole country converts to another religion? Maybe a chain of events where you can choose how to approach this issue would be good. Like halting, stopping or embracing the conversion.

no, you misunderstand, islands at a time would not convert, I meant by the end of the game every game might be a little different in which lands converted and which ones didn't.

 

[panzerschreck!]

I support this concept in general. Would add an interesting dynamic to playing in SE Asia. Perhaps, a state espionage style action could be to increase chance of conversion of selected provinces in non-muslim states.

Difficulty would be in ensuring that this mechanic is balanced. Interested.

I presume that this feature would be possible to add in current EU3? Again, balancing it may be an issue.

 

[User29]

I support this concept in general. Would add an interesting dynamic to playing in SE Asia. Perhaps, a state espionage style action could be to increase chance of conversion of selected provinces in non-muslim states.

Difficulty would be in ensuring that this mechanic is balanced. Interested.

I presume that this feature would be possible to add in current EU3? Again, balancing it may be an issue.

Yeah, this could pretty easily be modded into EU3, hopefully the same can be said for EU4, And balance along the lines of the Protestant Reformation could be pretty easily achieved. There are a LOT fewer countries in SE Asia.