An unfortunate change for New World trade

[TheDarkMaster]

Since the Philippians node was changed into two nodes, there is now no way to draw trade from 2/3 of Indonesia (up from ~1/2) or Australia to the New World anymore. Could you please move the trade link to Panama from the Philippians trade node to the new one just South of it? This would restore the old trade drawing options through the New World, giving an alternative path to draw trade for anyone colonizing Eastern Indonesia and Australia. Especially if you're playing random new world, and a bunch of provinces get put in the Australian trade node.

EDIT: I'm asking for the old trade route from Australia to Panama to be restored. Please change the outgoing node on the Philippians to Panama to come from the new node just South of the Philippians.

 

[Squirrelloid]

Since the Philippians node was changed into two nodes, there is now no way to draw trade from 2/3 of Indonesia (up from ~1/2) or Australia to the New World anymore. Could you please move the trade link to Panama from the Philippians trade node to the new one just South of it? This would restore the old trade drawing options through the New World, giving an alternative path to draw trade for anyone colonizing Eastern Indonesia and Australia. Especially if you're playing random new world, and a bunch of provinces get put in the Australian trade node.

Support++

 

[MadDjinn]

How much trade historically went to Panama first, from Indonesia, to Europe vs how much went around the Cape? This split seems more likely and more useful

 

[TheDarkMaster]

How much trade historically went to Panama first, from Indonesia, to Europe vs how much went around the Cape? This split seems more likely and more useful

Useful? It basically means that you can't colonize Australia or Indonesia as a New World nation and get full value from it anymore. It also means that there is little reason to colonize that area as a European unless you have dominance on the entire trade chain for the cape of new hope, rather then just needing dominance in Panama (which also only has one exit node) and the Caribbean.

 

[Mikalos]

Useful? It basically means that you can't colonize Australia or Indonesia as a New World nation and get full value from it anymore. It also means that there is little reason to colonize that area as a European unless you have dominance on the entire trade chain for the cape of new hope, rather then just needing dominance in Panama (which also only has one exit node) and the Caribbean.

I... really dont see there being a lot of value in the first place for a new world nation colonizing the old

 

[TheDarkMaster]

I... really dont see there being a lot of value in the first place for a new world nation colonizing the old

Wait, Indonesia and Australia are in the Old World?

 

[horngeek]

I... really dont see there being a lot of value in the first place for a new world nation colonizing the old

He didn't say Old World, he said Australia or Indonesia.

On the other hand, in my Otomo>Japan Protestant run, I'm liking the fact that you can now direct trade California>The Big Green One North Of Me>Nippon, it gives Japan trade options other than 'move Center of Trade to Malacca as soon as possible'.

 

[Squirrelloid]

How much trade historically went to Panama first, from Indonesia, to Europe vs how much went around the Cape? This split seems more likely and more useful

The 1.8 split isn't at all useful. The current connection won't go away under the proposal - we'll just go back to the previous patch's dynamics where you could route trade through the new world for all of Oceania.

Historically, Spain did send its trade from the Phillipines et al. through the New World colonies. Whether it went through Panama or around S. America isn't nearly so important a detail as that trade should bifurcate in a way that lets the entire pacific islands area go either east or west.

 

[MadDjinn]

Well, if we want to go that way, then we need to remove europe as the end point of all trade routes.

Dynamic trade route connections and directions really should be in the game, with the current ones just being the historical ones to start with.

 

[TheDarkMaster]

Well, if we want to go that way, then we need to remove europe as the end point of all trade routes.

Dynamic trade route connections and directions really should be in the game, with the current ones just being the historical ones to start with.

Ideally that would be the case, but the current system doesn't allow for any kind of looping trade. So, I'm just bringing this up to restore a lost trade route. It will have no other effect on the current trading system.

 

[unmerged(2833)]

Wait, Indonesia and Australia are in the Old World?

Indonesia, sure, Australia is neither.

 

[PiriReis]

+1