An Idea for the Independence faction

[NecroRenegade]

Here's an Idea I came up with to make the independence faction (for a lack of a better word) less dumb.

Currently in the game independence factions can compose of counts and dukes from all random parts of your realm, there's no cohesion or unity in them except for the common goal of being independent. Realisticly however (and what often ends up happening) is that these little counts or dukes simply get reabsorbed into the kingdom/empire that they left (most of the time).

What I propose is that independence factions be less random and ridiculous.

Here's an example: Say the HRE controls most of Italy. The culture of the counts/dukes in italy are Italian. The Italians really dislike being ruled by a foregin leader and so they then form an independence faction designed for those Italian nobles only. Instead of just fighting so that each county/duchy becomes completely sovereign, a leader emerges (or is chosen) and then they fight for independence. If they win, all of Italy that joined the faction becomes free from the HRE however they are now under the rule of a king (the King of italy in this case) who was that leader guy from the start. Now we have a successful revolution and a new kingdom that has a chance at staying sovereign for some time.

An alternative would be instead to swap "cultures" to "de jure vassals to a de jure kingdom" which then form that kingdom after becoming independent.

What are your thoughts?

 

[Talq]

Historically, Italy didn't become a kingdom in the process of falling out of HRE control & never even came close, so there's a strike there.

It would be helpful if the game had some form of alliance mechanic to deal with things like the Italian city states, who were independant, loved to squbble among themselves, but prone to band together when the HRE or France came knocking. Not all alliances were dynastic ties.

 

[grumphie]

perhaps like we currently have religius defence, also make some sort of cultural defence, so i.e. italians help other italians when germans come subjegating them or riussians helping eachother against the cumans?

 

[NI_Mcknight]

I think if independence leagues where seperated by culture it would be better eg Italian Independence league, or an irish independence league.

 

[NecroRenegade]

Historically, Italy didn't become a kingdom in the process of falling out of HRE control & never even came close, so there's a strike there.

It would be helpful if the game had some form of alliance mechanic to deal with things like the Italian city states, who were independant, loved to squbble among themselves, but prone to band together when the HRE or France came knocking. Not all alliances were dynastic ties.

I see nothing wrong in deviating from history as long as what happens is somewhat plausible.

I kinda like your idea though. If all the Italian states were able to band together (temporarily at least) to fight a common foe. Well, only the ones that really choose to.

 

[BBBD316]

I can see your point but I feel that this would weaken some of the independence movements, especially in the HRE.

The best revolts I have seen against the HRE are when the Italians get a few disgruntled Germans/Dutch/Burgundians on their side as this means the war is more likely to be successful.

I do agree however that something needs to be done to protect the new states once they have formed.