An extremely valid flaw in 1.12.

[Johan]

Figured I would add a screenshot to show my situation.

The main thing I would change is moving my Calais fort to Artois, but I don't have near the 200 ducats to do that...

Probably already mentioned.. but why forts in Normandy and Anjou, and not just 1 in Armor ?

 

[Heatth]

Probably already mentioned.. but why forts in Normandy and Anjou, and not just 1 in Armor ?

These provinces start with a fort. Forts are expensive, so OP probably thought it was worth just keeping the two instead of building a new one. And if they are planning on expanding, the extra fort will be really handy, particularly the one in Anjou.

 

[WhiskyGlen]

Probably already mentioned.. but why forts in Normandy and Anjou, and not just 1 in Armor ?

As Heatth already pointed out, it is because forts are 200 ducats and I have a hard time getting over one per month early in the game. Those were forts I acquired from wars. My goal was to eventually take Poitou and if I did that, I figured I'd have a good way to stop my capital from being besieged immediately.

 

[thErgonomic]

Probably already mentioned.. but why forts in Normandy and Anjou, and not just 1 in Armor ?

Are we expected to keep our whole nation under ZoC? Since the forts that the OP has blocks the enemy movement into his main provinces by the enemy, which alows him to defend his border from the enemy. But the main issue is that previously the forts prevented religious rebels from sieging CoR provinces for longer than a single tick and destroying them very quickly.

 

[echolot]

I am playing a game as Brittany and decided to convert to Protestant. I got an event where 11 religious zealots rose up in Morbihan. No worries, I thought. I got an army of 18,000 men with a 2 star general so they won't be any problem. Unfortunately, Morbihan did not have a fort and it was my protestant center of reformation. Thus when I let them rise (I could have simply delayed the event and moved my army there before triggering it.. which I should have anyways to get the defensive advantage), they instantly took my province and not only did I take an unrest and major manpower hit, but my Center of Reformation was lost as well. That is friggin ridiculous.

Would be an adjustment that such guys need to hold the province for at least 5 (or 10) years to destroy a Center of Reformation a possible solution for this problem?

 

[ywxiao]

Are we expected to keep our whole nation under ZoC? Since the forts that the OP has blocks the enemy movement into his main provinces by the enemy, which alows him to defend his border from the enemy. But the main issue is that previously the forts prevented religious rebels from sieging CoR provinces for longer than a single tick and destroying them very quickly.

I think that's their idea, although mid game onwards it's not particularly hard, early game it's a problem.

I think it's ok to leave some provinces exposed and setup you forts to cover as much territory as they can. They will often try to siege the fort, and in return their movements are more restricted and have to walk back to their own land then enter another way. It makes picking off their armies and distracting them easier.

E.G. France has 2 20k stack, I have 30k, wait for France to waste some MP on a fort, then attack the other. By the time they double back and come reinforce I can already retreat. I can easily burn off like 20k MP from them while losing less than half.

It's somewhat situational, but just an idea.

 

[happymix91]

Some rebels from events sometimes occupy provinc automatically, not concern whether the province is fortified or not.

It will be great if an automatical conversion of a province which has religious center from rebels will be fixed.

 

[Incompetent]

Zealots are kind of OP anyway - they're like a cheat code for instantly converting provinces and countries that could never normally be converted, or would take an extremely long time to convert otherwise. Sometimes like in this case, the player suffers, but far more often, zealots are the basis for some exploit or other directed at the AI.

I think they should only be able to convert a province to a religion it had at some point in the past, and they should not be able to convert religious centres or provinces with religious zeal.

 

[Aldon]

The whole CoR thing is annoying anyway. When Luther proclaimed his theses, years passed, even a Reichstag in Worms was detained and then some princes decided to adopt reformation (without any religious zeal I should think so, but strait political interests, and they did'nt ask their people anyway). And even if Kärnten "decided" to flip because word from let's say Ruppin reached them, i doubt the Emporer just sat there and mourned: "Nothing we can do for the next 10 years there, they are zealous."

So you lost your precious CoR, but all the other catholic states got nothing here to protect themself against this blight! Too bad!

 

[Lajinn]

And why not build a new fort in Artois, and remove the one in Calais? Getting the fort in Armor too will get you good coverage using only 2 forts.

He's already said countless time that he can't afford to pay the cost to make a new fort. It costs 200 ducats and he's only making 1 or so a month,

 

[Alliegorical]

He's already said countless time that he can't afford to pay the cost to make a new fort. It costs 200 ducats and he's only making 1 or so a month,

I know he said that, but it's ridiculous. 200 moneys isn't much at all. I'm certain he could be earning a lot more money than that if he cut other expenses. What's he paying for advisers? Is he leaving military maintenance at maximum while at peace? He should have adjusted his fort placement before flipping religions.

 

[Lajinn]

I know he said that, but it's ridiculous. 200 moneys isn't much at all. I'm certain he could be earning a lot more money than that if he cut other expenses. What's he paying for advisers? Is he leaving military maintenance at maximum while at peace? He should have adjusted his fort placement before flipping religions.

Those are good points. I ask the OP, is Brittany a poor area or something? Generally when playing small nations, even with forts, I don't encounter much trouble unless the nation is just ridiculously underdeveloped/broke

 

[celethiel]

Interesting to know that some Players think that you can afford to plop and maintain a fort every 3rd province....(especially when you start small) much less that it'd make any difference... it's also a waste of space in a game were many provinces have little building space to begin with....I never do build forts like that... I do however keep opening fortresses and build more in strategic locations.
If the fort wasn't in said province, and they sieged it in the one month tick...Not hard...before your guys can get there... then it auto converts whether or not the fortress is there or not... (which is this what happened?) once it Sometimes Rebels go to the fort first sometimes not....You can't always have your armies standing on Rebelous Provinces...and sometimes events spawn them...(which is half the time how there are rebellions in AI Nations)... I am trying to figure out though what kind of Religious rebels spawned in your reformation center and were able to shut off... or maybe i am reading this entirely wrong and it was catholic Rebels in another province that moved there and you failed to get there in time... (which is also possible if both provinces were non-fortressed)... and if your army was someplace else...
However to make more money... turn off fortresses you're not Using...(which probably means all of them unless you're at war) just make sure you turn it on as soon as you enter into a war that risks them....put your navy (especially the heavies) into mothball (unless you don't have the ability to mothball... then just sell or scrap the heavies)... I never not fund my military... because I'd rather have it running in case of Random Wars and Rebellions than not....
If this was not event based... make sure you watch that Rebel counter so you can place your armies where you need them... also if you followed the other things build up your other infrastructure build temples markets and such in suitable provinces... you'll have more money.

 

[Searry]

Preparing for these kinds of things when changing religion is very important. I doubt you really prepared for it if this kind of thing happened.

 

[Nyanako]

One thing that urks me... Occasionally I get an event where the religious rebels rise, and take the province, even IF it is under an active fort, without sieging it down; meaning my fort system was completly ineffective

 

[Gball]

Probably already mentioned.. but why forts in Normandy and Anjou, and not just 1 in Armor ?

Did Johan just tell someone to git gud?

 

[ozyhuboi]

Wait, I think I've seen this sort of this happen before too. I had a province with a fort converted to Protestantism and had some "response to the Reformation" event occur where I could choose between rebels or unrest. Since the province in question had a well-supplied fort, I thought I'd just wait it out but the second the rebels spawned they took over the province without having to siege, also converting the province which was extremely frustrating. That is definitely a bug of some sort as rebels should not be able to instantly siege down a fort the second they appear.

 

[CNY10000]

I think you are supposed to fortify provinces that you really need to protect. You should be able to pay for it.

However, I do agree that it is ridiculous that rebels can instantly capture a province regarless of whether there is a fort or an army. It looks like WAD but it is not making sense.


Also, please shorten the time allowed for picking options in events. Autopick should happen upon the second monthly tick after events fire.

And move all effects of single-option events to "immediate" from "option".

 

[dbruser]

Well if I'm able to buy a fort as a 3 province combined 8 base tax mecklenburg, he should be able to buy one as Brittany unless hes wasting lots of ducats. (can pay for upkeep if I take another province)

 

[Heatth]

I still maintain that all this talk about forts and how the OP should have protected himself better to be minor compared to the real issue that is event spawn religious rebels being able to convert your center of reformation with little to no time to respond or warning. Really, "should have protected better" is not a terrible great argument when the threat was sudden and not foreshadowed. It is one's own fault if they let important provinces unguarded when the revolt risk is close to 100%. But event revolts are a different matter as they are really sudden. I like them as they shake things a bit, but it is not great when they can have such a massive impact (weaken the reformation massively) without any time to respond.